Moderate Islamists work with Al Qaeda

[Dinner]

Zevico, we already had a thread where you can dump all this crap into.

[regexcellent]

You're worse than a racist, you're the kind of person who spreads the poison that leads to bigotry, violence and hatred, all the while sitting back and not having the balls to admit you're a hate monger. Seriously, **** you. My grandparents fought a war against people exactly like you.

I'm at a loss as to where the racism thing comes from? I'm under the impression that Zevico is a Jewish, neoconservative Australian, which adequately explains his hostility to Islamists without involving any degree of racism.

[Ben Kenobi]

Reg - all Muslims are Arab. Ergo, opposition to Islam = racism.

Oddly enough, opposition to Judaism is not racism.

[Aeson]

edit: I should also say that I didn't read the whole article and I'm not going to so if there's some comment in the middle like "**** arabs" I didn't notice that.

Not reading the article isn't a valid excuse, since before even reading the article you should have known the point of the article just by Zev posting it.

"All Zev posts are one; a moderate Zev post is as fantastical a notion as a moderate Nazi."

[Zevico]

I don't see anything racist here. Zev's article is saying that the people we refer to as "moderates" in the much of the Arab world are not really moderate. Which is not news.

I'm not going to defend the link + copy/paste quote though. I criticize MrFun for that so I'll criticize Zevico for it too. Admittedly MrFun's articles are significantly more retarded.

edit: I should also say that I didn't read the whole article and I'm not going to so if there's some comment in the middle like "**** arabs" I didn't notice that.

There aren't. Pointing out that Islamists work with Al Qaeda is racist. It's worse than Nazism.

[Zevico]

Pointing this out is worse than Nazism:

Following are excerpts from a sermon delivered by Egyptian cleric Futouh Abd Al-Nabi Mansour, Head of Religious Endowment, Matrouh governorate, in the presence of Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi. The sermon aired on Egyptian Channel 1 on October 19, 2012.

Futouh Abd Al-Nabi Mansour: [...] Oh Allah, absolve us of our sins, strengthen us, and grant us victory over the infidels. Oh Allah, deal with the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, disperse them, rend them asunder. Oh Allah, demonstrate Your might and greatness upon them. Show us Your omnipotence, oh Lord.

http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3614.htm

[Aeson]

No, pointing out specifics about specific people/groups is fine. Try again Zev.

[regexcellent]

Not reading the article isn't a valid excuse, since before even reading the article you should have known the point of the article just by Zev posting it.

"All Zev posts are one; a moderate Zev post is as fantastical a notion as a moderate Nazi."

I agree with almost everything Zevico posts so

[Zevico]

No, pointing out specifics about specific people/groups is fine. Try again Zev.

Those groups subscribe to a specific ideology, Islamism--the idea that their vision of Islam is the answer to every social, political and economic question. Those who subscribe to this view can be quite peaceful. They can peacefully call for blasphemers to be beheaded and violently call for it. But if we oppose beheadings for blasphemy their ideology is still an evil one that deserves to be opposed. To say this is by no means to suggest that every Muslim subscribes to the Islamist ideology. This is not the case, though Islamism is the dominant religious ideology in many Muslim countries. Even when that is the case it is often despised by those Muslims ruled by it. All of which is to say that the label Islamist applies to Islamists, not Muslims per se. Those who equate the two are simply ignorant of history. On the other hand, if you think beheading people for blasphemy is fine as long as you implement it lawfully and peacefully, well, what can I say?

Apart from that, it is nonsense to accuse me of racism. Islamism is not a race but an ideology subscribed to by persons of a vast range of ethnic backgrounds.

[dannubis]

I'm at a loss as to where the racism thing comes from? I'm under the impression that Zevico is a Jewish, neoconservative Australian, which adequately explains his hostility to Islamists without involving any degree of racism.

[dannubis]

I agree with almost everything Zevico posts so

That is not a good thing...

[kentonio]

I'm at a loss as to where the racism thing comes from? I'm under the impression that Zevico is a Jewish, neoconservative Australian, which adequately explains his hostility to Islamists without involving any degree of racism.

It's about treating people as groups and then spouting negativity and hate against that group. It's the language that ends up with people throwing bombs through clinic windows or beating up foreigners or lynching people of different colours while the people spouting the hate just sit and claim they never wanted any violence.

I agree with almost everything Zevico posts so

That's the sad thing.

[Zevico]

Kentonio cannot attribute any form of belief to me that is prejudiced, so he accuses me of holding beliefs that encourage prejudice in others. He cannot establish how and why they do so but it is a convenient fantasy.

[Zevico]

There is substantial evidence, however, of people using Kentonio's logic to call suppress political debate and free speech both legally and otherwise. In this case, for example, Kentonio has nothing to say about the position I articulate and everything to say about how much he imagines it will incite violence for unstated reasons. If we accept the fantasy that people will do unlawful violence to the adherents of an ideology merely because they recognise that ideology is evil, then restricting speech is the logical and commendable consequence. It is a position typical of the Left. Of course, this leaves unexplained the current state of civil peace in the United States and elsewhere. But that hardly matters. Imagined crises and imagined prejudices are far more important to combat than real problems and real crises.

[kentonio]

If we accept the fantasy that people will do unlawful violence to the adherents of an ideology merely because they recognise that ideology is evil, then restricting speech is the logical and commendable consequence.

Yes, its all a fantasy, Dr Tiller never got slaughtered in his church, muslims never got beaten up after anti muslim rhetoric in the US, the Rwandans never died in their millions after provocative radio broadcasts and the Jews never got sold out by their neighbours and shipped off to the camps after an intense campaign of propaganda and disinformation.

**** you.