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  • OSCE Vote Monitors Threatened Again!

    Is it Russia's Vlad "the impaler" Putin? Iran's Ahmadinnerjacket? Syria's Assad?

    Nope.

    It's the GOP in Texas.

    VIENNA/AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - International election monitors took a dim view on Wednesday of Texas' threat to prosecute them if they observe voting in the state a bit too closely on November 6.

    The exchange pitted the Vienna-based human rights watchdog Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe against Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, who warned the OSCE not to interfere with polling in state elections.

    "The threat of criminal sanctions against OSCE/ODIHR observers is unacceptable," Janez Lenarcic, director of the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) monitoring arm, said in a statement.

    "The United States, like all countries in the OSCE, has an obligation to invite ODIHR observers to observe its elections."

    Abbott told Reuters on Wednesday that he is considering legal action against the group if it doesn't concede that it will follow the state's laws.

    "They act like they may not be subject to Texas law and our goal all along is to make clear to them that when they're in Texas, they're subject to Texas law, and we're not giving them an exemption," he said.

    Abbott is skeptical about why the group wants to look at elections in Texas.

    "Our concern is that this isn't some benign observation but something intended to be far more prying and maybe even an attempt to suppress voter integrity," he said.

    In a letter on Tuesday to the Warsaw-based ODIHR, Abbott had noted that OSCE representatives were not authorized by Texas law to enter a polling place.

    "It may be a criminal offense for OSCE's representatives to maintain a presence within 100 feet of a polling place's entrance. Failure to comply with these requirements could subject the OSCE's representatives to criminal prosecution for violating state law," he added.

    He cited reports that OSCE monitors had met with organizations challenging voter identification laws. Texas' voter ID law was blocked earlier this year by a federal court, and Abbott has said he will appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    "The OSCE may be entitled to its opinions about Voter ID laws, but your opinion is legally irrelevant in the United States, where the Supreme Court has already determined that Voter ID laws are constitutional," Abbott wrote.

    Texas Secretary of State Hope Andrade also wrote to the United Nations-affiliated OSCE/ODIHR on Tuesday, saying that it's key for Texans to understand that the organization has no jurisdiction over the state.

    Republican Texas Governor Rick Perry tweeted on Tuesday: ‏"No UN monitors/inspectors will be part of any TX election process; I commend @TXsecofstate for swift action to clarify issue."

    The 56-member OSCE routinely sends monitors to elections and noted November's elections would be the sixth U.S. vote that ODIHR has observed "without incident" since 2002.

    For next month's elections it has a core team of 13 experts from 10 OSCE countries based in Washington and 44 long-term observers deployed across the country, it said.

    Lenarcic had shared his "grave concern" about the threat of Texas prosecutions with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the OSCE said.

    "Our observers are required to remain strictly impartial and not to intervene in the voting process in any way," Lenarcic said. "They are in the United States to observe these elections, not to interfere in them."
    "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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    How embarrassing.

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    • #3
      Jesus christ. Who ****ing cares if international governments can't monitor our elections?
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      • #4
        The problem is that we care that we monitor other peoples' elections. Looks sort of bad when we aren't open ourselves; and if we're not doing anything wrong, who cares if they do monitor them?

        Presumably this is pandering to the anti-UN sect of the GOP. Meh.
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        • #5
          It's not like there aren't tons of domestic monitors already which do the job just fine. I mean international monitors are dandy but at the end of the day the difference is pretty much moot.

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          • #6
            So Russian monitors are sufficient for monitoring Russian elections?
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            • #7
              You're making a thoroughly ridiculous comparison there, snoopy.
              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
                So Russian monitors are sufficient for monitoring Russian elections?
                No, but our domestic monitors are fine.

                Then again it's not like monitors would stop Putin from rigging the elections anyhow,

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  You're making a thoroughly ridiculous comparison there, snoopy.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    You're making a thoroughly ridiculous comparison there, snoopy.
                    Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                    No, but our domestic monitors are fine.

                    Then again it's not like monitors would stop Putin from rigging the elections anyhow,
                    No, I'm not. The whole point of OUTSIDE MONITORS is to prove that a country is transparent and democratic, to the rest of the world. Our internal monitors prove to us that we're behaving ourselves, to us; but the point is the rest of the world. If you compare the percentage of Russians who believe their elections are rigged, and the percentage of Americans who believe some intentional voter fraud is occurring, leading one party or the other to win when it oughtn't, I wouldn't be surprised to learn the numbers were similar.

                    America has (recently, at least) held itself up as a paragon of democracy, and attempted to influence other nations around the world to become more democratic. We need to hold ourselves to the same standards - and more - to show the rest of the world how it ought to be done. Quite frankly the elements of the GOP who feel otherwise - either that America is somehow special and thus should get to ignore the rules, or who feel that we don't need no darned foreigners - need to move into the 20th century, then move into the 21st. They embarrass me, and are one half of why I don't call myself a Republican, but instead a conservative. I'm really not sure which are worse - these, or the anti-evolution/science/gay marriage luddites. Both are luddites and both are absolutely, blatantly, wrong, with absolutely no other side of the question.

                    The sad thing, to me, is that I don't believe Texas has anything to hide - perhaps in some small district somewhere three black people will be encouraged politely, with guns, not to vote; but probably not any more so than anywhere else, and not enough to turn the election certainly. Instead, they're just pandering to what ought to be a whacko, minority opinion held by a few nuts in their ranches, probably in Montana. But because of the desire to be anti-everything the Democrats stand for, Fox News and whatnot trumpet this completely insane ideology nonstop, causing a bunch of people who don't actually think for themselves to fall in line with it - hence Texas making this move.

                    Bleck.
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                    • #11
                      I find it odd they are gonna be in Texas at all rather than putting those resources in one of the swing states.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Jesus christ. Who ****ing cares if international governments can't monitor our elections?
                        Me, especially since we have the worst record on clean elections in the 1st world. We really do need international monitors plus how can we ask others to allow in monitors if we won't do the same? What do we have to lose unless there is dirty pool going on?
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                        • #13
                          Who ****ing cares if international governments can't monitor our elections?
                          Democrats?
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                          • #14
                            Me, especially since we have the worst record on clean elections in the 1st world. We really do need international monitors plus how can we ask others to allow in monitors if we won't do the same? What do we have to lose unless there is dirty pool going on?
                            Blah blah blah, America sucks, blah, blah, blah.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                              How embarrassing.

                              Texas is like that cousin that your mom made you bring with you when you went places with your friends.
                              Is Oklahoma any better? Probably worse.

                              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                              You're making a thoroughly ridiculous comparison there, snoopy.

                              You're like the American version of Serb or something.

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