Zionism Unmasked: The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism

[Asher]

It's obvious isn't it? They're Jews. You can't trust them.

To be fair, Israel uses religion as an excuse to kill people all the time.

Many people don't like Israel not because they're Jewish, but because they're *******s.

I love Jewish people, except for their mangled penises.

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Force us into siding with them in the Lebanon conflict.

As if we wouldn't already?

Look, this smacks of the same sort of thing as the 9/11 truthers thinking that 9/11 was a false flag attack. The reason it's obviously bull**** is because it's not actually possible to successfully pull that off. Besides which, there's too much to lose and not much to gain.

[Hauldren Collider]

Israel fights in self defense, not for religion. WTF are you talking about.

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To be fair, Israel uses religion as an excuse to kill people all the time.

Many people don't like Israel not because they're Jewish, but because they're *******s.

I love Jewish people, except for their mangled penises.

Like when..?

Israel doesn't attack terrorists in Gaza because they're Muslim. It attacks them because they shoot rockets and **** at civilians. Christ.

[giblets]

Al, if you hate Israel so much why are you supporting a Republican presidential candidate?

[Asher]

Israel fights in self defense, not for religion.

Yes, religion has nothing to do with Israel's predicament.

[Asher]

Israel doesn't attack terrorists in Gaza because they're Muslim. It attacks them because they shoot rockets and **** at civilians. Christ.

Yup, Israel doesn't kill civilians. Everyone knows that.

Israel kills Muslims, and Muslims are terrorists. It is known.

Israel never kills civilians, nor do they stop aid from reaching Gaza civilians (who just happen to be not-Jewish).

[Ben Kenobi]

TLDR

[Ben Kenobi]

Hey Asher - I challenge you to post that on your facebook.

[dannubis]

Not this again...

[Ecthy]

Alby, get rid of your tinfoil hat. These things happened decades ago and are completely explainable. You're either an idiot or some closet anti-semite. With a previous username of "Albert Speer" you should really watch your step.

This.

[Ecthy]

Yes, religion has nothing to do with Israel's predicament.

What are you even saying? The primary religion of Israel is to blame since terrorist groups like Hamas want to destroy Jews and Israel for their religion?

[Al B. Sure!]

As if we wouldn't already?

We didn't side with Israel in Lebanon in either 1958 or 1982.

[Zevico]

The true face of Jewish nationalism is simply the most stable, productive, prosperous and free state in the Middle East. This article is little more than propaganda propagated by a poster with (allegedly) neo-Nazi sympathies. Let's review:

1. Zionism is a real witches’ brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism, and militarism that places it way outside of a “mere” nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the PIRAs or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;

Zionism is worse than Nazism (says the former neo-Nazi sympathiser). Unbelievable!

It is interesting to note the confused case made by the author. First, Zionism is worse than Irish nationalism because Irish nationalists did not press for "shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country." Well, it is interesting that there have been hundreds of thousands (now over a million) Arabs in Israel, resident there since 1948. More after Jerusalem was conquered. None of them have been placed in camps or expelled. Nor were any Palestinians placed in camps. The Arab States placed Palestinians in camps and refused to absorb them.

2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not — e.g., a large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called “dual loyalty” (to Israel & the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the IDF but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America — even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;

Zionism is worse than Nazism, says the (former?) neo-Nazi sympathiser. Unbelievable!
I mean really, did the author think this through? Neo Nazis did not betray the United States? Neo nazism was itself a betrayal of the United States. American Irish backed Irish nationalists; yet we do not hear talk of dual loyalties to the Irish Free State from this author, who claims it is so unprecedented and evil. And as for Mr Emanuel: well, he's a member of a political party whose President's policy is and was that Jerusalem is not Israel's capital. So much for dual loyalties.

3. The “enemy” of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America’s target list);

Vague, nonsensical claptrap. Israel's enemies are simply those countries committed to its destruction. They are easily identified and pointed out by ideology: any country ruled by a Communist dictatorship; any country ruled by an Islamist dictatorship; any country ruled by a fundamentalist Islamic regime or a pan-Arabist/fascist regime. Not coincidentally these happen to be the United States' enemies.

. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) —

Ah, the poor Sudeten Germans. Yet more proof that Zionists are worse than Nazis. Well, except for the worldwide war, the millions of people massacred--yes, except for all that, there was nothing wrong with Nazis. Why, nothing wrong at all with admiring pictures of Nazis in all their multiethnic glory either, as one poster happened to do on this board here.

it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population

Wholesale displacement? First, there's no evidence that the populace was displaced. Some of the population fled because it was fed propaganda to the effect that the Jews would kill them all. Some remained, confident that they would not. Well, the simple truth is that those Arabs who remained, remained alive. They and their descendants are today citizens of Israel. There's over a million members of this "displaced" indigenous population still residing in Israel. They are economically better off, more educated and more literate than any of their immediate neighbours. All in all, I'd say they've had a far better time in Israel than any other supposedly colonial group.

— and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn’t care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer & more low-tech fashion.

Actually, it is far different, which is precisely why Americans are sympathetic towards Israel.

[Docfeelgood]