Stupid is as stupid does and stupidity votes Obama

[giblets]

He was trying to talk down to your level .

Clearly you think like a conservative, given your obsession with having the government help the poor. Which Jonathan Haidt would call the, uh, care/harm foundation, which he identifies with liberals.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Clearly you think like a conservative, given your obsession with having the government help the poor. Which Jonathan Haidt would call the, uh, care/harm foundation, which he identifies with liberals.

Both conservatives and liberals believe care/harm is important. However, there are other factors/foundations at play. Some that conservatives have and some liberals have. That's the point.

[giblets]

Both conservatives and liberals believe care/harm is important. However, there are other factors/foundations at play. Some that conservatives have and some liberals have. That's the point.

I'm still not seeing how you supposedly think like a conservative while you inexplicably don't support any conservative policies. Because there are two ways people think, liberal and conservative. Or something. Maybe there are an infinite number of ways people think and they influence the policies people want? Who knows what he was saying because he didn't go into details. Maybe I should drop the skepticism because anyone who questions Jaguar is an ignorant fool. I guess he's invoking authority/subversion because he thinks like a conservative?

[Jaguar]

Both conservatives and liberals believe care/harm is important. However, there are other factors/foundations at play. Some that conservatives have and some liberals have. That's the point.

In his TED talk (which he later revised for his book) Haidt specifically noted that the big difference between conservatives and liberals is in their beliefs about loyalty, authority, and sanctity. Liberals tend not to place nearly as much weight on those three axes - or in some cases, reject them entirely.

For example, Peter Singer is a very liberal thinker who obviously rejects the loyalty axis. See his writings on how we should focus much more on the welfare of those outside our borders, or even outside of our species(!).

In contrast, I feel like your philosophy is heavily influenced on those dimensions. A strong commitment to Christianity almost necessitates that.

[giblets]

Thank you for explaining why you consider Imran conservative

[snoopy369]

So you are going to name a party the name of another intellectual tradition while trying to claim the positive associations of that intellectual tradtion? Seems intellectually dishonest.

Imran. It's politics. Why exactly do you expect politicians not to be intellectually dishonest?

Anyway, I mostly just named them arbitrarily to have names (and perhaps to troll Ben, but that was accidental). The point was splitting the four groups instead of having to meld sort-of-libertarians with sort-of-bigots.

[Ben Kenobi]

big difference between conservatives and liberals is in their beliefs about loyalty, authority, and sanctity.

I feel like your philosophy is heavily influenced on those dimensions.

Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won.

Is anyone else amused by the juxtaposition?

I frankly don't see it myself. Imran's a contextualist, which means that he places his view of authority as internal, not external. He believes that the bible ought to reflect your conscience rather than the other way around. What exactly makes Imran a conservative? He doesn't share his opinion on any of the three with most conservatives.

[Jaguar]

Ben, everyone's a liberal from where you're sitting.

[DaShi]

Ben, everyone's a liberal from where you're sitting.

QFT

[Asher]

Hardly. The truly enlightened (e.g. me) can tell at first glance when someone is talking about real ideas or nonsense, even if they aren't familiar with the source material.

If this were a joke, my esteem for you would shoot up immeasurably.

But I fear it is real.

[DaShi]

I turn nonsense into real ideas.

[Imran Siddiqui]

In contrast, I feel like your philosophy is heavily influenced on those dimensions. A strong commitment to Christianity almost necessitates that.

That is true. Liberal Christians have a conservative streak in their mindset due to their beliefs of authority & loyalty - at the very least stronger than non-Christian Liberals. The authority of God in mandating helping out the poor and oppressed (the Matthew 25 test, so to speak) is paramount in the justification for why the poor should be taken care of. Also there is a strong loyalty mindset, which isn't necessarily national or racial or whatever, but strongly focused on a community (emphasized primarily by the Church family). I guess sanctity also is in play, though Liberal Christians don't think of it on the same level of Conservative Christians - sanctity for the Liberal set is about sanctity of human dignity and being against the death penalty and torture and humiliation for those reasons.

And on the subject, I think we can think of many folk who may be considered "conservative" (or on that arc) but don't care for loyalty, authority, or sanctity. Ayn Rand comes immediately to mind.

[SlowwHand]

I turn nonsense into real ideas.

You should have your own comedy show.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran's a contextualist, which means that he places his view of authority as internal, not external. He believes that the bible ought to reflect your conscience rather than the other way around.

I'm not a disciple of Schleiermacher. I prefer Barth far more and consider myself more neo-Orthodox than "Liberal" per se.

I believe in the continued revelation of God. It is not my fault that you do not believe in the power of the Holy Spirit.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, everyone's a liberal from where you're sitting.

Not so. I consider you, Kuci, HC, Dinodoc, The Mad Monk, regexcellence, Floyd, DanS, zevico and Slowwy to be conservatives here.