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  • Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
    Consider, Asher hates Ben because of his unpleasant posts. He would gladly have Ben not post his ideology. Does he hate Ben because of his freedom of speech? Yes, but it misses the point.
    Well let's not forget that Asher openly hates the notion of free speech. I would say he's a bad example.
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    • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
      Well let's not forget that Asher openly hates the notion of free speech. I would say he's a bad example.
      Um no. He just thinks free speech isn't the wide open American position.

      That's like saying you hate conservative politics if you are a moderate Republican who dislikes Rush Limbaugh.
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      • Interesting but not surprised

        According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.

        Read more: PICKET: UPDATE - Lebanon news rape report on murdered U.S. amb. in Libya remains unconfirmed by AFP - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...#ixzz26NXJNbzG
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        • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
          Um no. He just thinks free speech isn't the wide open American position.

          That's like saying you hate conservative politics if you are a moderate Republican who dislikes Rush Limbaugh.

          Like me.
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          • I'm not sure what DinoDoc was talking about, with America apologizing for our country's values:

            Romney's reference to an "apology for America's values" was directed at a statement the U.S. Embassy in Cairo put out on Tuesday morning, but that statement, which was itself responding to the outrage over the anti-Islamic film, was issued before the embassy was attacked, despite Romney's statement to the contrary. What's more, the statement does not apologize for America's values, but rather supports a founding American value, religious tolerance, while referencing the "universal right of free speech." The statement in full:

            "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
            the article
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            • We know another victim.

              American Killed in Libya Was on Intel Mission to Track Weapons


              Glen Doherty, a former U.S. Navy SEAL, was among four Americans killed in an attack on a diplomatic mission in Benghazi Libya on Sept. 11, 2012. (Courtesy Doherty Family)

              Sept. 13, 2012

              One of the Americans killed alongside Ambassador Christopher Stevens in an attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya Tuesday told ABC News before his death that he was working with the State Department on an intelligence mission to round up dangerous weapons in the war-torn nation.

              In an interview with ABC News last month, Glen Doherty, a 42-year-old former Navy SEAL who worked as a contractor with the State Department, said he personally went into the field to track down so-called MANPADS, shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, and destroy them. After the fall of dictator Moammar Gadhafi, the State Department launched a mission to round up thousands of MANPADS that may have been looted from military installations across the country. U.S. officials previously told ABC News they were concerned the MANPADS could fall into the hands of terrorists, creating a threat to commercial airliners.

              READ: Nightmare in Libya: Thousands of Surface-to-Air Missiles Unaccounted For

              Courtesy Doherty FamilyGlen Doherty, a former U.S. Navy SEAL, was... View Full Size Courtesy Doherty FamilyGlen Doherty, a former U.S. Navy SEAL, was among four Americans killed in an attack on a diplomatic mission in Benghazi Libya on Sept. 11, 2012.
              Doherty said that he traveled throughout Libya chasing reports of the weapons and once they were found, his team would destroy them on the spot by bashing them with hammers or repeatedly running them over with their vehicles. When ABC News spoke to Doherty in late August, he was enjoying a short time off in California before heading back to Libya just days ago.

              The State Department declined to comment on Doherty's involvement in the MANPADS program, but pointed to a previous statement from State Assistant Secretary for Political-Military Affairs Andrew Shapiro in which he said the department was looking at "every possible tool to mitigate the threat."

              According to military records provided to ABC News, Doherty joined the Navy in 1996 and was a combat medic and a decorated member of the elite SEAL teams by the time he left active duty in 2004. He's described in glowing terms as a top-tier SEAL and better friend in the book "The Red Circle," written by Doherty's longtime friend and SEAL sniper school partner, Brandon Webb.

              "Glen was a superb and respected operator, a true quiet professional," Webb told ABC News today. "Don't feel sorry for him, he wouldn't have it. He died serving with men he respected, protecting the freedoms we enjoy as Americans and doing something he loved. He was my best friend and one of the finest human beings I've ever known."

              Doherty's mother, Barbara, told ABC News' Boston affiliate WCVB she had been notified of her son's death late Wednesday.

              "He was the most wonderful person," she said. "We are all in pain and suffering."

              Ambassador Stevens and State Department information management officer Sean Smith were killed in the first wave of attacks in Benghazi when the building they were in was set on fire around 10 p.m. local time Tuesday, a senior administration official told reporters. Doherty was apparently one of two other Americans who were killed in a firefight nearly two hours later, while the facility was still under attack. The fourth victim has not been identified.

              ABC News' Dana Hughes contributed to this report.
              One of the Americans killed alongside Ambassador Christopher Stevens in an attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya Tuesday told ABC News before his death that he was working with the State Department on an intelligence mission to round up dangerous weapons in the war-torn nation.
              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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              • Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                I'm not sure what DinoDoc was talking about, with America apologizing for our country's values:
                Why do you insist on defending a statement the Obama admin has thrown under the bus and disavowed?
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                • Screw that. Mr. Fun's larger sin is failing to keep up with the discussion.
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                  • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                    Screw that. Mr. Fun's larger sin is failing to keep up with the discussion.
                    True.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                    • The media shambles following this incident:

                      "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                      • How ironic will it be if it turns out that the film was actually made by an Egyptian Muislim who duped some American Christian Fundamentalists, Klein and Jones, to help him incite attacks agasinst American embassies in the Middle East?
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                        • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                          Screw that. Mr. Fun's larger sin is failing to keep up with the discussion.
                          Most of the posts here were behind from the first ditto.
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                          • Originally posted by a.kitman View Post
                            They said on the radio over here that usa does not have an embassy in iran and that the swiss one basicly work as a us embassy aswell. its still funny tho.
                            It would have been the Canadian embassy, but we closed ours last week. I wonder if our PM, an evangelical, is on Terry Jones' mailing list? The PMO has been strangely silent on the reason our embassy closed.
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                            • I think it's preventative. When the bombs start falling on Iran it will be extremely unhealthy to be a western diplo in the country.
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                              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                              • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                                I think it's preventative. When the bombs start falling on Iran it will be extremely unhealthy to be a western diplo in the country.
                                Yes, but don't you find it strange that Harper, who takes every possible opportunity to bash certain governments and praise others is silent on the reasons for closure. You'd at least expect one of his pit bull (Toews or Baird) to be flaming Iran.
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