Fight against so-called voter "fraud" unwittingly targets legitimate voters.

[Sava]

george washington never had a photo id

[Felch]

That's incorrect. Those were not the reasons I accused him of Ben-like tactics. Nor did I call him dishonest. When you started to use a Ben-like tactic, I called you out on it as well, harping on epilepsy for some reason as if it was the key to voter ID fraud.

Yeah, that didn't make much sense when you said it, and it still doesn't make much sense. The problem with Ben is that he completely ignores what people say, and makes up his own conversation in his head. Your problem with me is that I saw something silly somebody else said, and harped on it. Harping on silly things that people say is a proud tradition that goes back to Socrates, and is about 90% of the discussion on this board.

[Felch]

george washington never had a photo id

He did have slaves though. You want to go back to the way things always were? Are the Republicans back to being the "progressive" party?

[Lorizael]

Are you taking Sava seriously, Felch?

[Felch]

No, I'm just bored.

[DaShi]

Yeah, that didn't make much sense when you said it, and it still doesn't make much sense. The problem with Ben is that he completely ignores what people say, and makes up his own conversation in his head. Your problem with me is that I saw something silly somebody else said, and harped on it. Harping on silly things that people say is a proud tradition that goes back to Socrates, and is about 90% of the discussion on this board.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that from your post. It looked like a Ben type stratagem, which are tempting when one is feeling lazy.

[Felch]

It wouldn't be trolling if it didn't remind you of Ben.

[DaShi]

[kentonio]

Another amazing surprise..

WASHINGTON -- The federal trial over South Carolina's voter identification law got under way Monday with a state senator insisting his work on the law was aimed at fighting fraud and instilling public confidence in the election system.

During morning testimony, state Sen. George "Chip" Campsen III cited examples of fraud that he took into consideration while drafting early versions of South Carolina's law. These included vote buying, voter rolls indicating a woman who showed up at the polls had already voted, and press reports of voters being registered in both South Carolina and North Carolina.

But under questioning from Justice Department attorney Anna Baldwin, Campsen, a Republican, said the examples he gave did not involve the type of fraud that requiring photo identification would address.

"None of the examples you gave in your testimony involved incidents of impersonation?" Baldwin asked.

"Correct," Campsen answered. He also said he could not find cases of voter impersonation in South Carolina, but added that the state lacks the tools to root them out.

The Justice Department rejected South Carolina's law, passed last year, which requires specific photo identification be shown in order to vote. The department decided the law violates Section 5 of the federal Voting Rights Act, which protects minority voters. South Carolina's voter photo ID law was subject to approval from the Justice Department because of its history of racial discrimination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...p_ref=politics

[regexcellent]

Yes it's rather hard to detect voter fraud when you lack the ability to even try.

[Wezil]

Why don't we allow people to vote by mail?

If you point out the obvious exemptions then please state why these are exemptions...

It's a serious question. Anyone?

I can't believe you people aren't irate about the millions of voters being disenfranchised by making people go to the polls.

[Jon Miller]

In Oregon the majority votes by mail.

JM

[Wezil]

Great. Now back to my question...

Why isn't it nationwide?

[Guynemer]

Because most of the country lacks the common sense of Oregon.

[Lorizael]

Conceptually, I have no problem with voter ID laws (or even requiring a national ID card), because I'm a ****ing nazi-commie who gets off on controlling other people's lives. The relevant question here is, however, what's greater: the number of legitimate votes disenfranchised by this law or the number of illegitimate votes prevented by this law. If the former, then you need a better law.