Fight against so-called voter "fraud" unwittingly targets legitimate voters.

[DinoDoc]

The same supreme court that declared that corporations were people.

Corporate Personhood has been settled law since 1819.

[kentonio]

Corporate Personhood has been settled law since 1819.

Funny how vast a number of Americans reacted to the Romney statement 'Corporations are people' with such utter disbelief and contempt then. Probably because its such an unbelievably contemptuous idea.

[DinoDoc]

Funny how vast a number of Americans reacted to the Romney statement 'Corporations are people' with such utter disbelief and contempt then. Probably because its such an unbelievably contemptuous idea.

So?

[MrFun]

You should post more than just a link. That's a Republican firing Democratic members of the election board for the crime of wanting to open the polls at weekends, like they did 4 years ago with no problems.

It still amazes me that people try and defend this bull****.

We deserve the country we have.

[kentonio]

Your revolutionaries tried to protect you against the power and corruption that huge corporations bring because they'd seen exactly what effect they had on British democracy. Who's tea was it you think got thrown in Boston harbour?

A few fun quotes to pass the time..

“We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood … It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.”

“As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the existence of trusts, combinations, and monopolies, while the citizen is struggling far in the rear, or is trampled beneath an iron heel. Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters.”

Roosevelt btw would have LOVED Romney..

“We wish to control big business so as to secure among other things good wages for the wage-workers and reasonable prices for the consumers. Wherever in any business the prosperity of the businessman is obtained by lowering the wages of his workmen and charging an excessive price to the consumers we wish to interfere and stop such practices. We will not submit to that kind of prosperity any more than we will submit to prosperity obtained by swindling investors or getting unfair advantages over business rivals.”

[DinoDoc]

“It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.” - Sir Winston Churchill

[rah]

I believe it is unfair and kind of ridiculous to compare what Jon Husted is doing (and many of the obvious partisan tricks that some politicians are doing) with those of us that don't see requiring a photo Id as being too onerous. There are a many reasonable people (not all ) here that have no issue with requiring a photo ID. (and most have no issue with making sure that they're easily available and free) Most of us would agree that Husted is a douche along with quite a few Repugs trying to game the system. But just because they're taking more obvious and extreme measures does not necessarily mean our opinions on photo ids should be seen the same. Intent is important. Those trying to dismiss any argument we have by bringing up douches like Husted aren't being honest.

[Lorizael]

Funny how vast a number of Americans reacted to the Romney statement 'Corporations are people' with such utter disbelief and contempt then. Probably because its such an unbelievably contemptuous idea.

I'm not voting for Romney in November, but this is the full context of that quote:

“We have to make sure that the promises we make in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are promises we can keep, and there are various ways of doing that,” Mr. Romney said. “One is, we can raise taxes on people.”

“Corporations!” the protesters shouted, suggesting that Mr. Romney, as president, should raise taxes on large businesses.

“Corporations are people, my friend,” Mr. Romney responded, as the hecklers shouted back, “No, they’re not!”

“Of course they are,” Mr. Romney said, chuckling slightly. “Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to people. Where do you think it goes?”

His point was that corporations are made up of people. This is undoubtedly true, as a corporation with no people would be literally nothing. It's akin to saying that humans are cells. Humans and cells are not the same thing, obviously, but a human without cells is, once again, literally nothing.

[kentonio]

“It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.” - Sir Winston Churchill

It's ok, I'm not the one who's country is going to get ****ed over when the corporations inevitable get given what they want while mugs like yourself stand there and applaud the loss of your rights.

[rah]

And most of the people that were aghast were (surprise) Democrats. No partisan politics at play here, Nooooooooooooooo.

[kentonio]

I believe it is unfair and kind of ridiculous to compare what Jon Husted is doing (and many of the obvious partisan tricks that some politicians are doing) with those of us that don't see requiring a photo Id as being too onerous. There are a many reasonable people (not all ) here that have no issue with requiring a photo ID. (and most have no issue with making sure that they're easily available and free) Most of us would agree that Husted is a douche along with quite a few Repugs trying to game the system. But just because they're taking more obvious and extreme measures does not necessarily mean our opinions on photo ids should be seen the same. Intent is important. Those trying to dismiss any argument we have by bringing up douches like Husted aren't being honest.

In principle a photo ID is something that seems perfectly reasonable, but the problem with reasonable people agreeing with it in principle is that that support is then coerced by the unprincipled to pass bills that deliberately disenfranchise. You're quite right, intent is important and those who are actually trying to push these bills through are doing so for very dark motives. The GOP themselves are admitting in court cases that they have no proof of fraud, and have on several occasions admitted that it's about keeping voting down amongst Democrats.

[kentonio]

His point was that corporations are made up of people. This is undoubtedly true, as a corporation with no people would be literally nothing. It's akin to saying that humans are cells. Humans and cells are not the same thing, obviously, but a human without cells is, once again, literally nothing.

No that wasn't the point he was making, he wasn't just agreeing with an obvious fact that people work for corporations. Or if he was, half the journalists in America have just spent the last year wasting literally millions of words misunderstanding him.

[rah]

But there are many of us that grew up with fraud. While I'll agree that it isn't as bad as it used to be, to think that it's been eliminated is naive imo. Just because there isn't overwhelming proof that it's rampant doesn't mean it's not happening. Growing up in Chicago does taint my opinion.

[kentonio]

Ah Chicago..

[Lorizael]

No that wasn't the point he was making, he wasn't just agreeing with an obvious fact that people work for corporations.

It's not just that people work for corporations, but that people make up corporations.

But think about this for a moment. He says one of the things you can do to raise revenue is raise taxes on people. A protester suggests he could raise taxes on corporations instead. And Romney's response is essentially that raising taxes on corporations is raising taxes on people, because corporations are made up of people. I will grant that he didn't articulate this particularly clearly, but if you watch the clip of this, you can tell that he's pretty flustered by the protester. And when we're flustered, we tend not to say things as clearly as we intend.

Or if he was, half the journalists in America have just spent the last year wasting literally millions of words misunderstanding him.

I imagine this is likely true.