Fight against so-called voter "fraud" unwittingly targets legitimate voters.

[Felch]

As far as I know it was two crazy idiots in front of a polling place. It's even more rare than voter fraud.

Yeah, it was only two crazy idiots at one place. But the fact that it happened shouldn't be denied. Everybody should be able to go and vote in peace without being harassed by thugs.

So they were intimidating everyone indiscriminately? Isn't that a bit of a rubbish way to try and rig an election?

Read the evidence provided in the link. It's all explained for you.

Intimidation is intimidation.

Being a lying piece of **** is being a lying piece of ****. Nobody on the right brought rifles to polling places in order to threaten voters. They brought them to rallies to show their support for the Constitution. Equating political speech with political suppression is what makes you a lying piece of ****.

Oh what's this? Felch and Zevico were both talking **** again? Who saw that coming..

Nothing in that article says anything against what I've said. It simply says that this was an isolated incident and not a policy decision by the New Black Panthers. Maybe if you educated yourself about the facts of the case (possibly by reading the evidence in that USCCR link I posted) you'd know that already.

[kentonio]

Nothing in that article says anything against what I've said. It simply says that this was an isolated incident and not a policy decision by the New Black Panthers. Maybe if you educated yourself about the facts of the case (possibly by reading the evidence in that USCCR link I posted) you'd know that already.

It says this is a tiny, isolated incident with no real relevance to anything, that the Republicans decided to try and use for political gain.

Bit contemptible really that they feel the need to try and stir up racial tensions by using nonsense like this to hurt a black president, but thats the modern GOP for you: dishonest racist *******s.

[Zevico]

It says this is a tiny, isolated incident with no real relevance to anything, that the Republicans decided to try and use for political gain.

If that's your preferred vision, then who am I to argue? Keep preening yourself. Remember: the mirror matters more than what happens outside in the real world. Nothing in that statement proves that anything in the report was untrue, or for that matter, that it was in fact produced for a partisan purpose (contra: brining the president down for good reason).

By the way, how did those riots work out for you? Were the police sensitive enough?

When George Galloway got elected on the Islamist vote, was that just a victory for multiculturalism?

[Zevico]

It says this is a tiny, isolated incident with no real relevance to anything, that the Republicans decided to try and use for political gain.

Bit contemptible really that they feel the need to try and stir up racial tensions by using nonsense like this to hurt a black president, but thats the modern GOP for you: dishonest racist *******s.

Yes, I'm sure their black skinned members would agree with you.

[kentonio]

If that's your preferred vision, then who am I to argue? Keep preening yourself. Remember: the mirror matters more than what happens outside in the real world. Nothing in that statement proves that anything in the report was untrue, or for that matter, that it was in fact produced for a partisan purpose (contra: brining the president down for good reason)

Yes, I'm sure their black skinned members would agree with you.

You have a prominent conservative in that article telling you that the GOP plotted to use the NBP thing as a tool to attack the President. Why would two black guys who apparently hated the president as much as the GOP be a tool to attack a black president? Only an idiot or a dishonest racist would miss the obvious race-baiting element to that strategy.

[Felch]

It says this is a tiny, isolated incident with no real relevance to anything, that the Republicans decided to try and use for political gain.

Bit contemptible really that they feel the need to try and stir up racial tensions by using nonsense like this to hurt a black president, but thats the modern GOP for you: dishonest racist *******s.

Oh. My. God. A political party blew a tiny, isolated incident out of proportion for political gain? That's never happened before in all of human history! The Democrats never stoop to such levels, and it is therefore appropriate to pretend like this tiny, isolated incident never occurred and that it was not a violation of anybody's civil rights.

[kentonio]

Oh. My. God. A political party blew a tiny, isolated incident out of proportion for political gain? That's never happened before in all of human history! The Democrats never stoop to such levels, and it is therefore appropriate to pretend like this tiny, isolated incident never occurred and that it was not a violation of anybody's civil rights.

I'm still waiting to hear which peoples civil rights were violated and how this has anything to do with Obama or the Democrats.

[Zevico]

You have a prominent conservative in that article telling you that the GOP plotted to use the NBP thing as a tool to attack the President.

Load of tosh. You have a woman who is telling you that the fellow members of her commission thought their report would likely be damning to the Presidency. That's what the commission discussed. The woman's conclusion--that it was all just a smear--is either proven or disproven by the actual facts of the case, not by her assertion to that effect.

Why would two black guys who apparently hated the president as much as the GOP be a tool to attack a black president?

I take it you refer to the NBP members who engaged in this conduct. To which my response is: what are you asking exactly? I'm afraid I don't understand the question.

Only an idiot or a dishonest racist would miss the obvious race-baiting element to that strategy.

I'm afraid I don't understand what is so obvious or "race-baiting" about this "strategy", whose existence you haven't actually proven. People concerned with civil rights think that this conduct is unbecoming of the current Administration and expressed that sentiment in the course of a discussion. So what?

[kentonio]

Load of tosh. You have a woman who is telling you that the fellow members of her commission thought their report would likely be damning to the Presidency. That's what the commission discussed. The woman's conclusion--that it was all just a smear--is either proven or disproven by the actual facts of the case, not by her assertion to that effect.

Typical bull****, one of the people on your own side of the political arena says that something bad happened, so instead of listening you just ignore her. RINO right?

I take it you refer to the NBP members who engaged in this conduct. To which my response is: what are you asking exactly? I'm afraid I don't understand the question.

Simple question, these guys apparently hated both the GOP and the Dems, yet you keep trying to paint crazy ass conspiracy theories about how the dems are in bed with the NBP. Please explain how/why a couple of NBP members who hate both sides and were apparently acting in an intimidating way to all voters regardless of colour, political affiliation etc, somehow has any reflection on Obama/the dems?

As a follow up, as you keep insinuating that the Justice Department are somehow protecting the NBP, please explain why they would when the NBP members hate the Dems as much as the GOP and were in effect costing them votes too (if indeed they were putting anyone off voting). How does any of this make any sense whatsoever?

I'm afraid I don't understand what is so obvious or "race-baiting" about this "strategy", whose existence you haven't actually proven.

Yeah, let's ignore the RINO, hell she's a woman too right she clearly doesnt belong in the Good Old Party.

People concerned with civil rights think that this conduct is unbecoming of the current Administration and expressed that sentiment in the course of a discussion. So what?

People concerned with civil rights? Oh and who might that be?

[Wezil]

I think that should be "Grand Old Party".

[kentonio]

Bah, my bad. Zevico never ceases to annoy the **** out of me, and it makes me sloppy.

[Wezil]

I was texting with my ISP yesterday.

Same result.

[Zevico]

Typical bull****, one of the people on your own side of the political arena

I don't have a side, bucko. This is halfway across the world from me. Yes, I think racism is a terrible evil that ought to be combatted.

so instead of listening you just ignore her. RINO right?

No, I'm not ignoring her. I'm simply stating that the proof or falsity of what she says lies in facts of the case. It makes perfect sense for a group of people to slam an administration for mishandling a case if it was actually mishandled.

Simple question, these guys apparently hated both the GOP and the Dems

True

yet you keep trying to paint crazy ass conspiracy theories about how the dems are in bed with the NBP.

No, you keep saying that, but I have never asserted that that the dems are or ever were "in bed with the NBP", any more than than they are in bed with the Nation of Islam. I am saying that their excuse-mongering for these organisations is a part of a bigotry of low expectations--perhaps even a generalised misanthropy against mankind in general.

Please explain how/why a couple of NBP members who hate both sides and were apparently acting in an intimidating way to all voters regardless of colour, political affiliation etc, somehow has any reflection on Obama/the dems?

When the dems refuse to take action against the NBP that reflects badly on the dems.

As a follow up, as you keep insinuating that the Justice Department are somehow protecting the NBP

I'm not insinuating it, I'm stating it.

please explain why they would when the NBP members hate the Dems as much as the GOP and were in effect costing them votes too (if indeed they were putting anyone off voting).

A variety of reasons. I've already mentioned one: the bigotry of low expectations. Another: racialism.

For much of his life, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. carried around something peculiar. While most people keep cash, family photos, and credit cards in their wallets, Holder revealed to a reporter in 1996 that he keeps with him an old clipping of a quote from Harlem preacher Reverend Samuel D. Proctor. Holder put the clipping in his wallet in 1971, when he was studying history at Columbia University, and kept it in wallet after wallet over the ensuing decades.

What were Proctor’s words that Holder found so compelling?

“Blackness is another issue entirely apart from class in America. No matter how affluent, educated and mobile [a black person] becomes, his race defines him more particularly than anything else. Black people have a common cause that requires attending to, and this cause does not allow for the rigid class separation that is the luxury of American whites. There is a sense in which every black man is as far from liberation as the weakest one if his weakness is attributable to racial injustice.”

When asked to explain the passage, Holder replied, “It really says that … I am not the tall U.S. attorney, I am not the thin United States Attorney. I am the black United States attorney. And he was saying that no matter how successful you are, there’s a common cause that bonds the black United States attorney with the black criminal or the black doctor with the black homeless person.”

Yeah, let's ignore the RINO, hell she's a woman too right she clearly doesnt belong in the Good Old Party.

I knew you would read that into my post. I knew it. This is a real person you're talking to over here. Not a cartoon cutout. Have some respect for others instead of throwing insults around.

[kentonio]

I don't have a side, bucko. This is halfway across the world from me.

Oh please, you might be an Aussie but your posts here are pure GOP.

Yes, I think racism is a terrible evil that ought to be combatted.

You should probably stop posting ****ed up racist conspiracy theories then.

No, I'm not ignoring her. I'm simply stating that the proof or falsity of what she says lies in facts of the case. It makes perfect sense for a group of people to slam an administration for mishandling a case if it was actually mishandled.

Stop being dishonest. A group of GOP sit around talking about how they can trump up a bull**** investigation to damage the administration, one of them has the integrity to come out and denounce her collegues for it, and yet you're not willing to pay that any attention because you want the investigation to be real.

No, you keep saying that, but I have never asserted that that the dems are or ever were "in bed with the NBP", any more than than they are in bed with the Nation of Islam. I am saying that their excuse-mongering for these organisations is a part of a bigotry of low expectations--perhaps even a generalised misanthropy against mankind in general.

What excuse mongering for goodness sake? An investigation that even a GOP committee member admits was politically motivated?

When the dems refuse to take action against the NBP that reflects badly on the dems.

Refuse to take action on what grounds? If they had evidence of a crime they'd prosecute it if they felt it was in the public interest. You're the one (well you and the GOP) bringing party politics into something ridiculously irrelevant. Shall I go find a few cases of the Justice Department deciding not to make a case against a paedophile so I can imply the whole of the GOP are kiddy fiddlers? Is that how pathetic the debate has become?

I'm not insinuating it, I'm stating it.

Then you're an idiot.

A variety of reasons. I've already mentioned one: the bigotry of low expectations. Another: racialism.

For much of his life, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. carried around something peculiar. While most people keep cash, family photos, and credit cards in their wallets, Holder revealed to a reporter in 1996 that he keeps with him an old clipping of a quote from Harlem preacher Reverend Samuel D. Proctor. Holder put the clipping in his wallet in 1971, when he was studying history at Columbia University, and kept it in wallet after wallet over the ensuing decades.

What were Proctor’s words that Holder found so compelling?

“Blackness is another issue entirely apart from class in America. No matter how affluent, educated and mobile [a black person] becomes, his race defines him more particularly than anything else. Black people have a common cause that requires attending to, and this cause does not allow for the rigid class separation that is the luxury of American whites. There is a sense in which every black man is as far from liberation as the weakest one if his weakness is attributable to racial injustice.”

When asked to explain the passage, Holder replied, “It really says that … I am not the tall U.S. attorney, I am not the thin United States Attorney. I am the black United States attorney. And he was saying that no matter how successful you are, there’s a common cause that bonds the black United States attorney with the black criminal or the black doctor with the black homeless person.”

It's actual painful how utterly and completely you've managed to misunderstand the meaning of that passage.

Yeah, let's ignore the RINO, hell she's a woman too right she clearly doesnt belong in the Good Old Party. [/q]
I knew you would read that into my post. I knew it. This is a real person you're talking to over here. Not a cartoon cutout. Have some respect for others instead of throwing insults around.

I'll wait until you earn any.

[MrFun]

Nobody on the right brought rifles to polling places in order to threaten voters. They brought them to rallies to show their support for the Constitution. Equating political speech with political suppression is what makes you a lying piece of ****.

Tea Baggers are very good at carrying out political suppression in the form of political speech.