How does this happen? Chick-fil-A branded as anti-gay?

[Asher]

Name an Asher who understands the legal difference between assault and free speech, or even the idea of freedom in general, or how fungible resource extraction works or reseeding RNGs

It's not assault to say words. It's freedom of speech!

The point was lost on you, but it's inaccurate to say "X doesn't believe in free speech" when they are supporters of a specific law. There is no true freedom of speech. If there was, I'd be able to threaten whoever I want, slander whoever I want, and say f*ck on a 7pm network show.

PS: You need to give the RNG thing a rest, why must you and KH obsess over it? It says a lot that the one thing I'm wrong on you keep bringing up, even if it's not even remotely related to the subject matter.

And you assclowns are still wrong if you think oil is fungible in the short term. If you speak to people who actually work in the industry, you'll see why. I've owned everyone in that debate historically.

[kentonio]

0/10, see Jaguar after class

You're not witty enough to use the funny putdown defense.

[Hauldren Collider]

It's not assault to say words. It's freedom of speech!

PS: You need to give the RNG thing a rest, why must you and KH obsess over it? It says a lot that the one thing I'm wrong on you keep bringing up, even if it's not even remotely related to the subject matter.

I'll stop bringing up the RNG thing when you guys stop commenting on toilet-to-bedroom ratios

And you assclowns are still wrong if you think oil is fungible in the short term. If you speak to people who actually work in the industry, you'll see why. I've owned everyone in that debate historically.

ahahaha

[giblets]

Name an Asher who understands the legal difference between assault and free speech,

Oh, so you just have to redefine a form of speech as something else and it suddenly has nothing to do with "free speech"? Great, now learn the difference between cash and free speech

[Asher]

I'll stop bringing up the RNG thing when you guys stop commenting on toilet-to-bedroom ratios

Err...when did I comment on that in the past couple years?

ahahaha

I posed about half a dozen questions to be answered by anyone who claims oil is fungible in the short-term in some other thread recently -- questions no one even attempted to answer (perhaps because it makes the absurdity of your situation apparent).

Oil is only fungible in the short-term if you ignore:
1) Pipeline capacity
2) Tanker capacity
3) Port capacity
4) Geography
5) The fact that refineries are built for specific types of oil, which varies depending on locale

All of these can be addressed in the long-term, but not short-term. Hell, look at Canada's situation now -- our ability to supply Asia with oil is extremely limited currently. How can you call that commodity fungible? If the US refuses to buy Canadian oil, we're ****ed in the short-term. And vice versa.

[Hauldren Collider]

Err...when did I comment on that in the past couple years?


I posed about half a dozen questions to be answered by anyone who claims oil is fungible in the short-term in some other thread recently -- questions no one even attempted to answer (perhaps because it makes the absurdity of your situation apparent).

Oil is only fungible in the short-term if you ignore:
1) Pipeline capacity
2) Tanker capacity
3) Port capacity
4) Geography
5) The fact that refineries are built for specific types of oil, which varies depending on locale

All of these can be addressed in the long-term, but not short-term. Hell, look at Canada's situation now -- our ability to supply Asia with oil is extremely limited currently. How can you call that commodity fungible? If the US refuses to buy Canadian oil, we're ****ed in the short-term. And vice versa.

Do you not understand that Saudi Arabia can just change its oil output whenever it wants? Most oil production is not actually running at full capacity. They can just LEAVE OIL IN THE GROUND to adjust prices on the market to account for known future ability to consume oil.

[Hauldren Collider]

Err...when did I comment on that in the past couple years?

I've only been on the forum for the past couple years, and you've commented on it plenty

[Asher]

Do you not understand that Saudi Arabia can just change its oil output whenever it wants? Most oil production is not actually running at full capacity. They can just LEAVE OIL IN THE GROUND to adjust prices on the market to account for known future ability to consume oil.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

OPEC does not run at full capacity, but they can't arbitrarily satisfy any shortage anywhere in the world. Again, see comments on tankers/ports/geography/refineries.

Saudi Arabia's production capacity is ~12 Mbbl/day. They currently produce ~9 Mbbl/day. Their capacity is falling each year now as their easy fields dry up. Even if they instantly ramped up production, even assuming infinite logistical capability, that could not come close to offsetting supply from Canada.

[Kidlicious]

Do you not understand that Saudi Arabia can just change its oil output whenever it wants? Most oil production is not actually running at full capacity. They can just LEAVE OIL IN THE GROUND to adjust prices on the market to account for known future ability to consume oil.

econ fail

[Kidlicious]

I think he speaks for a helluva lot more black people than you do.

Black people like me better than they like him.

[Hauldren Collider]

econ fail

Oh, this is rich. Former commie and complete idiot claims econ fail.

[Wezil]

And yes, wezil, you are correct and I will stop responding to this douche. (at least for now)

One poster at a time.

Asher? Can we talk...?

[The Mad Monk]

so nice, I posted it twice!

[The Mad Monk]

Here we go again...

Chick-fil-A Debate Santa Barbara Style
Architectural Board of Review Majority Abstains From Voting for Personal and Political Reasons


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Originally published 12:00 a.m., August 8, 2012
Updated 10:00 a.m., August 8, 2012
By Ethan Stewart (Contact)

The war of words and morally informed eating habits that have raged across the country since Chick-fil-A head honcho Dan Cathy announced his decidedly anti-gay marriage opinions came to roost in Santa Barbara this week.

The controversial, poultry-powered fast-food chain has been in the city planning approval process for months now as it prepares to move into the once-upon-a-time Burger King on the 3700 block of State Street. The project received approval from the Architectural Board of Review (ABR) last year, but this week, with the plan returning for final sign-off on some late-hour landscaping tweaks, the board majority, for what appeared to be political reasons stemming from the gay-marriage flap, opted to abstain from voting on Monday.

That effectively prevented the project from getting, at least for the time being, some of the necessary building permits it needs to move forward. After some awkward silence and refusing of urges from staff to take a vote on the revisions, the board voted 5-0 to table the topic for two weeks.

Last month, when the same landscaping and patio changes were before the all-volunteer board, members Gary Mosel and Keith Rivera opted to abstain from the vote, but the changes eventually moved ahead after a post-meeting consent was granted by the board’s Vice-Chair Paul Zink.

This time around, with the item on the board’s Consent Agenda for a final procedural approval, the duo again chose to abstain and were joined by fellow members Kirk Gradin, Chris Gilliland, and Stephanie Poole for a variety of reasons. Board Chair Dawn Sherry and Zink were absent. Explaining his decision to withhold a vote on the project, Mosel said from the dais, “For political reasons, I cannot vote on that.”

In the wake of the non-vote, City Councilmember Cathy Murillo, who, along with her fellow councilmembers, will eventually rule on any possible appeals stemming from the ABR’s final vote, said City Hall has already received a large volume of calls and emails both supporting and opposing the ABR’s decision to make no decision at all.

[UPDATE, 10:00 a.m.]: In the wake of the non-vote, Santa Barbara Mayor Helene Schneider addressed the issue in an open letter to the community on Tuesday evening. Explaining first that she too does not agree with the views of Chick-fil-A’s CEO, Schneider took exception with the politicizing of an otherwise non-political process.

“The City’s approval process about Chick-fil-A’s building application is not about gay marriage, it’s about the design of a building, and the approval of the project should be based on those merits alone,” wrote the mayor, later adding, “I would hope that the project would be approved or denied based not on personal, religious, or political beliefs, but on the merits of the application.”

To that end, City Planner Bettie Weiss informed ABR members late Tuesday that, despite their abstention, city staff issued an after-the-fact administrative approval of the landscaping and patio tweaks, thus allowing building permits to go forward.

http://independent.com/news/2012/aug/08/chick-fil-debate-santa-barbara-style/

...so another pack of petty bureaucrats attempt to stifle free speech, and are stifled themselves when their superiors realize that bird won't fly.

[DaShi]

So?