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Wilful Blindness: The Humanitarian Left edition
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It's awful, just awful I tell you that the President of Egypt wants to free a blind preacher who screwed up a bomb plot.
Now a sergeant who walks into a village and wastes a dozen or more women and kids? That's a different story. Same with the guy who flies a pilotless bomb into the wrong building, "security guards" who shoot up a densely populated street, or a even guy who orders a war on the wrong country. We keepin' them. They ain't done nuthin' wrong. You cain't touch 'um.
You know they're right. Obama has made some really bad decisions. There are some really, really bad guys loose whos still threaten the innocent from one end of this world to the other. Come November you just might elect some of them back into power."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostNeocons don't want democracy, and never did. You might notice that they've been supporting dictators in the middle east for decades. Democracy just makes a really handy pretext for war.
Look, he's a democratically elected leader and thus reflects the will of the Egyptian people.
He was elected in elections that were free to a degree. That doesn't mean he was democratically elected. Freedom at the blo box and a fair vote count are necessary but not sufficient conditions for a democracy."You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
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Originally posted by VJ View PostWhat do the neoconservatives want to achieve, when will they be happy? What is it that you want, exactly?"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post1) How is this a Right-Left issue? I mean the article even references Reagan-era support for proto-al Qaeda. If it's blindness, it's blindness from both sides.
Reagan supported the Afghani peshmerga--not the Taliban per se, but groups that comprised the Northern Alliance, and yes, what would become the Taliban and Al Qaeda. He didn't do that out of humanitarianism. He did it because it was necessary to repel the Soviet invasion, which he judged to be contrary to American interests.
The Administration supports the Muslim Brotherhood because, well, (1) it's pan-Islamic and not a pan-Arab nationalist movement, (2) it's popular; (3) the Administration's ideology rejects traditional foreign policy doctrines and actually prefers the rule of popular tyrannies to the rule of tyrannies that support it; (4) it does that because it fantasises that these tyrannous movements are in fact pro-democratic, contrary to practically all evidence.
JEWS ARE THE LEFT!
Well not always but still. Let's not act like Jews are not overwhelmingly liberals.
Yes, like Netanyahu, that well known socialist-progressive straight out of a Woody Allen diatribe on jewish red diaper babies. You know, Netanyahu is a free marketeer who is quoted as saying he "speaks" Republican. And he commands the support of a majority of Israeli Jews (by way of a coalition of aligned parties that support him over all other alternatives), who have been voting in right-wing free marketeer governments for 13 of the past 16 years. This is a society that went from socialist communes to a wellspring of high-tech venture capitalists.Last edited by Zevico; July 23, 2012, 06:05."You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
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I think Zevico has a point.
In Argentina I saw leftists say stuff such as "this revolts in the middle east prove everybody wants more freedom and democracy, that muslims are no different from us"
Leftists just can't conceive that many people may want to live in a country that enforces islamic law and traditions in an authoritarian way. They think love for democracy is natural, universal, inherent.I need a foot massage
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The Christian minorities in the middle east, who descend from the people who did not convert to Islam after the arab conquest, generally prefers the rather secular dictator and are much more afraid of the democratically elected islamist leaders.I need a foot massage
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Originally posted by Barnabas View PostI think Zevico has a point.
Originally posted by Barnabas View PostIn Argentina I saw leftists say stuff such as "this revolts in the middle east prove everybody wants more freedom and democracy, that muslims are no different from us"
Leftists just can't conceive that many people may want to live in a country that enforces islamic law and traditions in an authoritarian way. They think love for democracy is natural, universal, inherent.
Yes there are a number of ME countries where the citizens want a religious based system. This doesn't mean they want an Iranian style theocracy. How about we butt the hell out and let them experiment and find systems that actually suit them, instead of imagining our own broken ****ing democracies are some kind of ideal model?
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Originally posted by Barnabas View PostThe Christian minorities in the middle east, who descend from the people who did not convert to Islam after the arab conquest, generally prefers the rather secular dictator and are much more afraid of the democratically elected islamist leaders.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by Zevico View PostThe Administration supports the Muslim Brotherhood because, well, (1) it's pan-Islamic and not a pan-Arab nationalist movement, (2) it's popular; (3) the Administration's ideology rejects traditional foreign policy doctrines and actually prefers the rule of popular tyrannies to the rule of tyrannies that support it; (4) it does that because it fantasises that these tyrannous movements are in fact pro-democratic, contrary to practically all evidence.
People like you literally make me sick, you preach about democracy when it suits you, and then happily **** down the neck of any semblence of freedom or democracy when it comes to people outside the first world actually expressing their own choices.
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No, what I meant is that leftists saw a lot of relatively modern young guys using twitter and facebook in order to organize demonstrations against a dictator and thought! look, they also want freedom, and democracy, and western modern civil liberties!
Then, the dictator falls, and the people vote for an islamist and not a modern, democratic, liberal person, and the non muslims be them christian minority or a relatively secular person have it worse than under Mubarak, Hussein or Assad.I need a foot massage
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Originally posted by Barnabas View PostNo, what I meant is that leftists saw a lot of relatively modern young guys using twitter and facebook in order to organize demonstrations against a dictator and thought! look, they also want freedom, and democracy, and western modern civil liberties!
Then, the dictator falls, and the people vote for an islamist and not a modern, democratic, liberal person, and the non muslims be them christian minority or a relatively secular person have it worse than under Mubarak, Hussein or Assad.
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Originally posted by Barnabas View PostIn Argentina I saw leftists say stuff such as "this revolts in the middle east prove everybody wants more freedom and democracy, that muslims are no different from us"
Leftists just can't conceive that many people may want to live in a country that enforces islamic law and traditions in an authoritarian way. They think love for democracy is natural, universal, inherent.
oh, wait a minute..."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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