House of Lords reform dropped

[C0ckney]

And that's why the LibDem's long-standing pledge to abolish university tuition fees, which was a cornerstone of their campaigning for nearly a decade, was finally passed.

this is what happens when the politics of perennial opposition meets the realities of government.

[kentonio]

The House of Lords can't even do anything, anyway, right?

They have an important purpose as a revising chamber and constitutional safeguard.

This administration has done everything the Lib Dems wanted. It's clear the Conservatives have no future.

[Fake Boris]

Wait, their campaign pledge was to eliminate college tuition? Why on earth is that a good idea?

It's an overwhelming case.

[regexcellent]

Getting rid of college tuition is ****ing horrible idea. It's taking money from poor people and giving it to rich people. It is actually evil.

Wow, the Liberal Democrats are retarded.

[Fake Boris]

Students are poor.

[regexcellent]

Not when they graduate. I am a college student. I am familiar with the situation. If you want to make things easier for students, get rid of subsidies such as government-backed student loans so that colleges are forced to cut costs.

As long as you're getting a degree in something useful, and you're not a ****bag who can't hold a job down, you should be fine.

[Jon Miller]

That is definitely what would happen, because that has happened every other time.

Wait, no it hasn't.

JM

[kentonio]

Getting rid of college tuition is ****ing horrible idea. It's taking money from poor people and giving it to rich people. It is actually evil.

Wow, the Liberal Democrats are retarded.

Until a decade or so ago anyone could go to university in the UK (with the right grades ofc) and they didn't have to pay for tuition, they were also given a grant to pay for accomodation/food/books etc if their parents didn't earn that much. Then came student loans, then the grants disappeared, and then came tuition fees.

How exactly students leaving university in debt is a good thing for poor people, I have no idea. Are you sure you've thought this through?

[C0ckney]

Students are poor.

this is simply not true. the majority of students are middle class. students from poor families in the UK don't have to pay tuition fees, not that you'll hear about that from the, predictably middle class, commentators, complaining about how their little darlings oliver and emily have to pay towards the cost of their education.

[C0ckney]

Until a decade or so ago anyone could go to university in the UK (with the right grades ofc) and they didn't have to pay for tuition, they were also given a grant to pay for accomodation/food/books etc if their parents didn't earn that much. Then came student loans, then the grants disappeared, and then came tuition fees.

How exactly students leaving university in debt is a good thing for poor people, I have no idea. Are you sure you've thought this through?

there were considerably fewer students back then.

http://www.ucas.ac.uk/about_us/media_enquiries/media_releases/2010/210110

In 1999 there were 334,594 accepted applicants. Ten years later in 2009 there were 481,854 - an increase of 44% (see table 5). This represents an increase of 25,227 (5.5%) on entry for 2008. There was an overall increase in the number of applicants of 8.7%. Applicants aged 20 and under showed a 6.9% increase.

[Hauldren Collider]

Getting rid of college tuition is ****ing horrible idea. It's taking money from poor people and giving it to rich people. It is actually evil.

Wow, the Liberal Democrats are retarded.

QFT

[Hauldren Collider]

Students are poor.

Graduates, however, are rich. Unless they study useless crap like Philosophy.

[Jon Miller]

Graduates, however, are rich. Unless they study useless crap like Philosophy.

The ones with student loans are less likely to be so, however.

JM

[Dauphin]

I have no problem giving free tuition to university students, provided the tuition is expected to increase their earning potential enough that the increase in taxes they pay covers their fees. On a statistical grouping basis, not individual assessment.

[kentonio]

there were considerably fewer students back then.

http://www.ucas.ac.uk/about_us/media...es/2010/210110

That's true, and I was heavily against New Labours plans to try and increase that massively. I think they should have been aiming to increase low income families opportunities for a decent education to level opportunities for university admissions, not just letting everyone in and cheapening degrees across the board.