Anyone Else Staying Up For The CERN Announcement About The Higgs Boson Tonight?

[Aeson]

I don't see how Mormonism is any different from Scientology.

Yah, any religion that believes Jesus was Christ and redeemer definitely must be a cult

[giblets]

Solyndra is an example of government spending on scientific endeavours. It was also a massive scam that took advantage of Obama's ignorance of science. It's not the only similar scam this administration has funded either.

Heck, it was a great scam too. Slap a 'green' brand, and hold your hand out and watch as Obama digs some cash outta his stash. Wish I had thought of that, but I made enough money when I worked for a health food store. Green, my ass, it's just a way to get people to pay premium prices.

No, attempting to make a better solar panel does not belong in the same category as attempting to discover the laws of physics and how the universe works.

Seriously - you're arguing that improved solar panels are not a public good, but funding of SpaceX is? Seems to me you've lost the thrust of your argument.

I've never said anything about SpaceX. What the hell?

[notyoueither]

You're now dealing with the physics of the la la land known an the Beniverse.

Anything goes.

Your own fault for choosing to visit.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yah, any religion that believes Jesus was Christ and redeemer definitely must be a cult

Hasn't he been replaced yet by Joseph Smith, just like Jesus Christ replaced Adam? They have serious Christological problems.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, attempting to make a better solar panel does not belong in the same category as attempting to discover the laws of physics and how the universe works.

Which is why Newton got a grant to study just that?

He did most of his work on the Principia during his two year haitus from Cambridge.

[Aeson]

Hasn't he been replaced yet by Joseph Smith, just like Jesus Christ replaced Adam? They have serious Christological problems.

Given you don't have a clue what they teach, it's no surprise you don't have a clue what they teach.

[Aeson]

Hasn't he been replaced yet by Joseph Smith, just like Jesus Christ replaced Adam? They have serious Christological problems.

Given you don't have a clue what they teach, it's no surprise you don't have a clue what they teach.

[Ben Kenobi]

Given you don't have a clue what they teach, it's no surprise you don't have a clue what they teach.

Take it up with Joseph Smith.

We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement -- a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be.'

Athanasian Creed.

"The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal"

"So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties"

Stating that God 'attained' Godhood is contrary to the Christian doctrines on the Trinity which state, very clearly, that God is both eternal and almighty. He did not become almighty, he did not attain his almightyhood, but has always been, eternally, almighty.

"It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,' the inspired word continues, 'and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.'"

Again, God the Father is Eternal and Almighty.

"Thus, on this beautiful spring morning in the Sacred Grove, Joseph Smith witnessed the renewal of God's dealing with his children in accordance with the great gospel plan of redemption. Upon this occasion God the Father and his Beloved Son Jesus Christ appearing as glorified Resurrected Beings unto a chosen servant of God, made known once again the state of immortality which man will attain in preparation for the next estate of eternity; that also the world once again could know the reality of the personal nature of God the Father and his Beloved Son."

Um, God the father as a 'glorified resurrected being?' There are quite a few problems with this. If Joseph Smith saw the face of God, (even Moses did not see Him), then he would be dead.

"As we stretch our imaginations to absorb the limitlessness of the creations of God we turn to a favorite song: If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye, And then continue onward with that same speed to fly, [v]D'ye think that you could ever, through all eternity, Find out the generation where Gods began to be?[/b] Or see the grand beginning, where space did not extend? Or view the last creation where Gods and matter end? Methinks the Spirit whispers, "No man has found 'pure space,'" Nor seen the outside curtains, where nothing has a place. The works of God continue, and worlds and lives abound; Improvement and progression have one eternal round. There is no end to matter; there is no end to space; There is no end to spirit; there is no end to race."

Again, God is Eternal. He has no beginning or ending. He simply IS.

"God: Creator And Ruler Of Many Worlds. -- While it is true that evolutionists may be divided between theistic and atheistic groups, yet most of those professing belief in God consider him to be an indefinable force, essence, or power of an incomprehensible nature. According to revelation, however, he is a personal Being, a holy and exalted Man, a glorified, resurrected Personage having a tangible body of flesh and bones, an anthropomorphic Entity, the personal Father of the spirits of all men."

Then why did He not appear at the transfiguration, alongside Moses, and Elijah? Is Joseph Smith greater than Christ? God the Father is none of these things, being pure Spirit. This is a serious misunderstanding. If he were made of pure flesh, he would no longer be One God, as proclaimed in the athanasian creed, but two gods.

"We are members of the family of the Eternal Father. He is a glorified and exalted and eternal Being, having a resurrected body of flesh and bones. His name is God, and the kind of life he lives is God's life. His name is also Eternal, and the name of the kind of life he lives is eternal life. Eternal life is God's life, and God's life is eternal life. We are commanded to be perfect as he is perfect and to advance and progress until we become like him, or in other words, until we gain eternal life. Thus Joseph Smith said, "You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." (Teachings, pp. 346-47.) Christ our Lord has so obtained, thus enabling him to say to the faithful: "Ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father."

Really, Joseph Smith? How many other gods are they? Do they all live on Kolob? Is Elron one of them?

"I" will prove that the world is wrong, by showing what God is. I am going to inquire after God; for I want you all to know Him, and to be familiar with Him; and if I am bringing you to a knowledge of Him, all persecutions against me ought to cease. You will then know that I am His servant; for I speak as one having authority. ... "I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth. for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man. ... "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,--I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form--like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another. ... "In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. ... "These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible. ... "I wish I was in a suitable place to tell it, and that I had the trump of an archangel, so that I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, Elder Rigdon!) The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power--to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it. Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. And I want you to know that God, in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming His name, is not trifling with you or me."

[Wiglaf]

Apparently they found an impostor particle and not the real thing. And to think I ate a whole bag of celebratory Bugles off a prostitute's ass for a lie?

[ricketyclik]

What's the projected present value of HC's taxes again? What's yours?

And what's yours KH, as a percentage of income?

[Kuciwalker]

Probably something like 35-40%. Substantially more if Obama is reelected and gets his tax plan through.

[Kuciwalker]

I have heard claims that we funded ISS more because we stopped the SCC.

People want some fundamental science (not a lot, and some people want none). Politicians respond.

Very few people give even a single **** about science spending. But it is high status because the people who do are well educated and prestigious. We ought to lower the status of science spending by deriding politicians who waste our money. But people like you sabotage all that with your confused and incoherent defenses of waste.

[Kuciwalker]

Given the fact that he does pay federal taxes how does that invalidate his "we" statement? People who pay more in taxes don't get more votes (though they do get to use money to buy ads for votes).

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Of course not. You're just stupid.

[Imran Siddiqui]

How does how much one pay in taxes = being less of the "we" in the American taxpayer populace. IIRC, it's still 1 person, 1 vote (well, mostly).

[Lorizael]

Very few people give even a single **** about science spending. But it is high status because the people who do are well educated and prestigious. We ought to lower the status of science spending by deriding politicians who waste our money. But people like you sabotage all that with your confused and incoherent defenses of waste.

If a private company dedicated to research into high-energy particle physics successfully funded itself by naming newly discovered particles after its customers, would that be a waste of money?