Activist arrested for kiddie porn

[giblets]

Obviously if a... football couch... molests boys it must be that he is only attracted to boys and not girls.

[Jon Miller]

He was involved in foster care, it wasn't just kids involved in football.

I think that it is true that an unfortunately large number of men involved with helping out kids are child abusers. Many kids in foster care get abused.

JM

[DinoDoc]

This thread is irrefutable proof that all gays are pedophiles.

The thread had to do with gays, why weren't you the one to post it? Are you leaving these threads to closet cases like Albie?

[loinburger]

WTH is this coming from, anyway?

IIRC he is opposed to age of consent laws, which on the one hand is consistent with his position regarding the legal status of children, but which on the other hand is kind of creepy.

[Tupac Shakur]

I really thought this thread was going to be about Ozzy.[/wiglaf]

[Asher]

Sorta like Sandusky and how every one of his victims are boys. Odd that. They all seem to have something in common and it isn't the collar.

Nowhere in the OP does it mention all of the children are boys, and even if they were, what exactly is your point?

Many pedophiles were molested themselves when they were younger and repeat the process on others. In such cases, of course they are the same gender.

Your own personal sexual attraction to all members of a single gender - adult or child - is misguiding you. The vast majority of straight men are not sexually attracted to prepubescent girls, and the vast majority of gay men are not sexually attracted to prepubescent boys. Your own sexual attractions are an exception.

[Asher]

IIRC he is opposed to age of consent laws, which on the one hand is consistent with his position regarding the legal status of children, but which on the other hand is kind of creepy.

Hey, if an 8 year old girl wants to star in a double penetration video...who are we to stop them?

[Ben Kenobi]

Nowhere in the OP does it mention all of the children are boys, and even if they were, what exactly is your point?

Well, then we should have a friendly wager. Avatars for a month. You wear my choice if all the children he victimized were boys.

My point is to play connect the dots. Sandusky abused boys for years and had his employer cover up his charges. The Catholic priests you rail on about abused boys for years and had their employer cover up for them.

Now this. There is a common thread going through all of them.

Many pedophiles were molested themselves when they were younger and repeat the process on others.

Indeed. So were many homosexual men.

Your own personal sexual attraction to all members of a single gender - adult or child - is misguiding you.

Nonsense. Anyone with half a brain sees the pattern here. Others just like to play three card monte trying to hide the pearl.

The vast majority of straight men are not sexually attracted to prepubescent girls, and the vast majority of gay men are not sexually attracted to prepubescent boys. Your own sexual attractions are an exception.

But it doesn't change either of these cases where a homosexual man abused boys. You should be calling them out rather than covering for them. Illuminating that you don't.

I'm not sure why you have any credibility on this issue anymore.

[Al B. Sure!]

How many of those boys molested by priests became priests? Became gay?

[loinburger]

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/statsinfo/nis3.cfm

Girls were sexually abused three times more often than boys

Never let facts get in the way of a good hate-on, though.

[Asher]

But it doesn't change either of these cases where a homosexual man abused boys. You should be calling them out rather than covering for them. Illuminating that you don't.

Who the **** is covering for anyone? What the **** is wrong with you?

Everything in your post is wrong. Your bigoted beliefs pulled out of your ass, slandering homosexuals and equating them with pedophiles. It's sickening.

You ought to be banned. We've no tolerance for the likes of you. Scum.

[Asher]

Never let facts get in the way of a good hate-on, though.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.

In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children" (Bryant, 1977, p. 114). [Bibliographic references are on a different web page]

In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay people are child molesters. This argument was often made in debates about the Boy Scouts of America's policy to exclude gay scouts and scoutmasters. More recently, in the wake of Rep. Mark Foley's resignation from the US House of Representatives in 2006, antigay activists and their supporters seized on the scandal to revive this canard.

It has also been raised in connection with scandals about the Catholic church's attempts to cover up the abuse of young males by priests. Indeed, the Vatican's early response to the 2002 revelations of widespread Church cover-ups of sexual abuse by priests was to declare that gay men should not be ordained.


Public belief in
the stereotype The number of Americans who believe the myth that gay people are child molesters has declined substantially. In a 1970 national survey, more than 70% of respondents agreed with the assertions that "Homosexuals are dangerous as teachers or youth leaders because they try to get sexually involved with children" or that "Homosexuals try to play sexually with children if they cannot get an adult partner."1

By contrast, in a 1999 national poll, the belief that most gay men are likely to molest or abuse children was endorsed by only 19% of heterosexual men and 10% of heterosexual women. Even fewer – 9% of men and 6% of women – regarded most lesbians as child molesters.

Consistent with these findings, Gallup polls have found that an increasing number of Americans would allow gay people to be elementary school teachers. For example, the proportion was 54% in 2005, compared to 27% in 1977.

Examining the
Research Even though most Americans don't regard gay people as child molesters, confusion remains widespread in this area. To understand the facts, it is important to examine the results of scientific research. However, when we evaluate research on child molestation, our task is complicated by several problems.

One problem is that none of the studies in this area have obtained data from a probability sample, that is, a sample that can be assumed to be representative of the population of all child molesters. Rather, most research has been conducted only with convicted perpetrators or with pedophiles who sought professional help. Consequently, they may not accurately describe child molesters who have never been caught or have not sought treatment.

Terminology A second problem is that the terminology used in this area is often confusing and can even be misleading. We can begin to address that problem by defining some basic terms.

Pedophilia and child molestation are used in different ways, even by professionals. Pedophilia usually refers to an adult psychological disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners; this preference may or may not be acted upon. The term hebephilia is sometimes used to describe adult sexual attractions to adolescents or children who have reached puberty.

Whereas pedophilia and hebephilia refer to psychological propensities, child molestation and child sexual abuse are used to describe actual sexual contact between an adult and someone who has not reached the legal age of consent. In this context, the latter individual is referred to as a child, even though he or she may be a teenager.

Although the terms are not always applied consistently, it is useful to distinguish between pedophiles/hebephiles and child molesters/abusers. Pedophilia and hebephilia are diagnostic labels that refer to psychological attractions. Not all pedophiles and hebephiles actually molest children; an adult can be attracted to children or adolescents without ever actually engaging in sexual contact with them.

Child molestation and child sexual abuse refer to actions, and don't imply a particular psychological makeup or motive on the part of the perpetrator. Not all incidents of child sexual abuse are perpetrated by pedophiles or hebephiles; in some cases, the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children.

Thus, not all child sexual abuse is perpetrated by pedophiles (or hebephiles) and not all pedophiles and hebephiles actually commit abuse. Consequently, it is important to use terminology carefully.

Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

Typologies of
Offenders The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

....

(it goes on much more, you should read this, Ben)

The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.

[giblets]

Was Sandusky a homosexual? He has a wife. When has he ever had sex with an adult man?

[Asher]

Was Sandusky a homosexual? He has a wife. When has he ever had sex with an adult man?

Sandusky was a heterosexual, of course. Incidentally, he was a Catholic...



I mean, as Ben says:

My point is to play connect the dots. Sandusky abused boys for years and had his employer cover up his charges. The Catholic priests you rail on about abused boys for years and had their employer cover up for them.

Now this. There is a common thread going through all of them.

Sandusky and those priests were not homosexual. They were pedophiles, and they also happened to be Catholic.

Ben would like us to connect the dots. To look at common threads.

[Ming]

Why would Ben ever let facts get in the way of his rants... As usual, with every post he makes, he provides an excellent example of what makes for a bad christian.