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Originally posted by The Mad Monk View PostYes. Period. The courts are a legitimate place to go if you think the executive is overstepping it's bounds. Other than that there are the periodic elections.
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk View PostWell, now that that's over, I really am interested in whether people think recalls and referendums are worth it.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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So if you elect a party who then pass legal but completely unpopular bills that are contrary to their campaign promises, people should have no recourse for potentially 4 years?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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To be fair, aren't there state congressional offices to vote for? It's not like Walker was voted King.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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Realistically, elected officials should be entitled to some time to do what they got to do. Democracy is a slow process and if we started expecting results after 6 months or a year in office and recalling officials as a result, we'd be in trouble. Likewise, officials changing their stances constantly because of temporary swings in public perception would only make ineffective government.
Our elected officials are already re-election-focused from day 1 of their terms, which comes with a lot of benefits to constituents but also negatives with regards to long-term politics. Common recalls would intensify that focus on the short-term vote-getting."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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I don't see anything inherently wrong with having gubernatorial elections every two years instead of every four years. Of course, there is the possibility that voters would get tired of having so many elections but if the requirements for holding a recall are strict enough that should protect against the possibility of constant elections that voters are sick of. If you are offended by the proposition that people in positions of power should have to keep the public satisfied throughout their term and not just once every four years, you hate democracy.
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostRealistically, elected officials should be entitled to some time to do what they got to do. Democracy is a slow process and if we started expecting results after 6 months or a year in office and recalling officials as a result, we'd be in trouble. Likewise, officials changing their stances constantly because of temporary swings in public perception would only make ineffective government.
Our elected officials are already re-election-focused from day 1 of their terms, which comes with a lot of benefits to constituents but also negatives with regards to long-term politics. Common recalls would intensify that focus on the short-term vote-getting.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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There's pros and cons. We want public officials to be held accountable and not just do whatever the hell they want once they get elected; facing re-election forces them to not reneg on campaign promises, etc. But this leads to a short-term focus, a lot of empty populism and pork, etc.
Actually, I think the cons ultimately are problems with a democratic system in general."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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