Planned Parenthood spends $1.4 Million in Anti-Romney ads

[Ben Kenobi]

Obviously we expect nothing better from you, but shut the **** up anyway *****. People like you do more to mentally angush women than anyone else. The vast majority of women find old fashioned, braindead ****s like you disgusting and will fight you at every step. You're an anachronism and a revolting one.

Right. I'm the anachronism because I believe that a breast cancer charity should raise money to fight breast cancer, not pay for abortions. Mission creep anyone? Kamen was savaged because people love abortion more than they love breast cancer charities. If pro choicers sincerely believed that breast cancer was a priority, they would have supported Kamen's decision to focus on their mission - helping women with breast cancer get better treatment.

[kentonio]

Yes, obviously all those people just LOVE abortions. Sick ****.

[Ben Kenobi]

While Ben probably anguishes women more than myself, don't do the typical Liberal thing of putting the cart before the horse and claiming you speak for women when, in the US, it's pretty split:

Is it sad when albert and I are the only posters citing evidence showing that a majority of actual women agree with us? Misogyny indeed! Maybe some women are actually conservatives... Not that Poly would know anything about that.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, obviously all those people just LOVE abortions. Sick ****.

Then why are they attacking a breast cancer charity for providing money to organizations that fight breast cancer? Again, logic would dictate that if the purpose of their donation was to actually fight breast cancer, that they would support the charity.

Instead, it's pretty clear that they were using Kamen to fund abortion without actually having to fund abortion. So they do love abortion, and love it more than they love breast cancer treatment.

[kentonio]

*misogyny, not that it matters

I actually wasn't sure and tried to check. There seemed to be quite a few references to 'misoginism' being ok. It definitely doesn't look right though.

[kentonio]

Then why are they attacking a breast cancer charity for providing money to organizations that fight breast cancer? Again, logic would dictate that if the purpose of their donation was to actually fight breast cancer, that they would support the charity.

Instead, it's pretty clear that they were using Kamen to fund abortion without actually having to fund abortion. So they do love abortion, and love it more than they love breast cancer treatment.

I'm going to end up saying something I regret shortly and something that would certainly get me banned, so I'm going to stop replying to your vile **** now and just settle for saying **** you.

[giblets]

Right. I'm the anachronism because I believe that a breast cancer charity should raise money to fight breast cancer, not pay for abortions. Mission creep anyone? Kamen was savaged because people love abortion more than they love breast cancer charities. If pro choicers sincerely believed that breast cancer was a priority, they would have supported Kamen's decision to focus on their mission - helping women with breast cancer get better treatment.

They don't pay for abortions, they pay for breast exams.

[Wezil]

I'm going to end up saying something I regret shortly and something that would certainly get me banned, so I'm going to stop replying to your vile **** now and just settle for saying **** you.

He's either the greatest troll ever or he really is the ******* he posts as. Either way there is simply no way to look good in a debate with him. The sooner we all come to this realization the better.

[Ben Kenobi]

They don't pay for abortions, they pay for breast exams

And money isn't fungible? What, do they write a check to Planned Parenthood saying, "DO NOT USE FOR ABORTION?" FFS - once that check gets dropped in the PP account, they can use it for whatever they want. Including cutting the check to the abortion doctor.

What, is Komen going to stop payments to PP? We all saw what happened when they did!

The good thing is that there are actual breast cancer charities that actually fight breast cancer.

Hell, I could say all sorts of things about Komen - but I'll let the Observer do the talking for me. This is what happens when you stop funding abortion providers.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2012/02/a_stink_about_pink_there_a_bet.php

21 percent of all moneys given to Komen go to actually fighting breast cancer. You could actually do better by randomly cutting checks to women on the street...

[giblets]

They pay Planned Parenthood to perform a service- breast exams. Planned Parenthood does the breast exams. Why should the Komen foundation be unhappy with this arrangement? Why is it that conservatives are convinced that 100% of the money given to Planned Parenthood is somehow paying for abortions regardless of the actual purpose of the funding? No one ever provides any evidence that PP can't get sufficient funds for its abortions from people who actually want them to perform abortions.

[Elok]

The point is that the money isn't going to any one thing in particular; it all goes in the same big pot. Claiming "this money won't be spent on abortion" is...meaningless. What does that even mean? Money is just a symbol of transferred purchasing ability; more money means more purchasing ability, period. For whatever purpose. Now, it may well be that PP can afford to do the same number of abortions regardless of how much is put in, but all money given to them is funding abortion just as much as it's funding condoms or pills or keeping the lights on. Abortion is the single most "profitable" service they offer, AFAIK, but I don't think I've ever seen a detailed breakdown of their business plan or anything.

Also, IIRC PP only provides referrals for breast exams, it doesn't actually do them. Not that that's a big difference.

[Ben Kenobi]

They pay Planned Parenthood to perform a service- breast exams. Planned Parenthood does the breast exams. Why should the Komen foundation be unhappy with this arrangement?

Because Planned Parenthood is primarily an abortion provider and they can best use their dollars elsewhere? They have no control with how Planned Parenthood spends their money and if PP uses their money to fund abortion far more than breast exams, then Komen is actually subsidizing their abortion business. This is why they were savagely attacked, because the Komen donaters wanted PP to get funds more than they wanted those funds to go to other organizations that devoted themselves to breast cancer only.

Part of the reason why Komen was and is a front for Planned Parenthood is because they try to get people to donate to Komen who wouldn't want to donate to PP. The whole Pink Ribbon campaign is all about this. Fail to donate to Komen and you must be against Breast Cancer. This is why I find Komen's bait and switch so odious, but at least it outed them as a front for PP. Something I've known since, 2004 or so? It's been well known what they've been doing - just not in the mainstream (because the mainstream isn't served by outing them). At least until they cut off PP.

Why is it that conservatives are convinced that 100% of the money given to Planned Parenthood is somehow paying for abortions

Again, money is fungible. If PP spends 10x of their budget on abortion as breast exams, then cutting PP a check means that 10x the amount goes to abortion as it does to breast exams. It's not a very efficient use of scarce dollars to donate to PP if your intention is to do breast exams. However, if your intention is to fund abortion - then donating to PP, and insisting that other charities donate their money to PP is a great way to do it. Especially if you can hijack charities founded for other purposes, because money is fungible works both ways. The money donated to Komen, the donor doesn't get to have a say in where it goes. All of Komen's donors are effectively subsidizing Planned Parenthoods for profit abortion clinics.

No one ever provides any evidence that PP can't get sufficient funds for its abortions from people who actually want them to perform abortions.

If you could sucker people into paying your bills, do you really care where the bills come from?

[giblets]

Planned Parenthood is not "primarily an abortion provider". And they aren't giving away abortions for free, as far as I know, so it is pretty silly to assume the whole organization is a front to get people to pay for abortions who don't want to pay for them.

[Elok]

Planned Parenthood is not "primarily an abortion provider". And they aren't giving away abortions for free, as far as I know, so it is pretty silly to assume the whole organization is a front to get people to pay for abortions who don't want to pay for them.

I think they do sometimes provide financial assistance to the really cash-strapped abortion-seekers. At least, I recall reading that recently from someone claiming to be a PP employee trying to rebut the "PP is in it to make money off abortions" claim. Don't remember where though. I don't know how much an abortion costs them; IIRC they charge something like four or five hundred, which makes abortion their single largest source of revenue. But it may be substantially subsidized even at that rate, for all I know.

As to being primarily an abortion provider, about one out of ten women (a little more than 300K out of 3 million) who goes to PP is there to get an abortion. Without actually siccing an accountant on their books, I can't say how all the money balances out, but I don't want to pay them a bloody cent regardless. Not that I think they're all acting in bad faith, cackling like Snidely Whiplash or whatever BK pictures them doing. It's just that any money they get is going to support their whole business, both the 90% I find admirable and the 10% that's unspeakably loathsome.

[Ben Kenobi]

which makes abortion their single largest source of revenue.

I posted that earlier, their financial statements that were available. They are the largest abortion provider in the US, and in north america. I'm not sure that there's any one entity in the world that does more of them than Planned Parenthood.

about one out of ten women (a little more than 300K out of 3 million) who goes to PP is there to get an abortion

That's not how they keep track of things. They don't track individuals, they track 'services'. If you go in for an abortion - they count 5 different services, so even if 100 percent of the women came for an abortion - only 20 percent of their 'total services' would qualify as abortion.

Having it come out as 10 percent, means that in all likelihood, the majority of women who ever step into PP have gotten an abortion from them at some point.