Hello everybody

[dannubis]

No Ben, the question was if the pope himself would proclaim that homosexuality was ok, where would you be ?

But don't bother, we all know the answer to that question.

[Ben Kenobi]

Marriage is a right, in the same sense that people have a right to work.

If this were so, then divorce would be impermissible because it would mean depriving someone of their right to be married.

[Ben Kenobi]

No Ben, the question was if the pope himself would proclaim that homosexuality was ok, where would you be ?

But don't bother, we all know the answer to that question.

And what, pray tell, would be the answer? I'm not really certain what I would do in such a circumstance. There would be three options for me, and I'm not sure which I would choose.

[dannubis]

ERGO, (and this is logical ben), you are using the RCC to provide legitimation for your hate for homosexuals.

Thanks for playing !

[rah]

So your answer is, that you would stop being part of any religion that proclaimed it's support of Gay marriage.

Is that a correct assumption.

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What do you think you'd do?

[Ben Kenobi]

So your answer is, that you would stop being part of any religion that proclaimed it's support of Gay marriage.

The three options for me would be to stay in the Church with the Pope that proclaimed gay marriage to be ok, to run with the Orthodox or to run with the SSPX.

Choice one would be the same thing that St. Athanasius had to deal with the Church hierarchy, and eventually he was proclaimed to be in the right. I am not certain I would leave, but if I stayed, I would fight for the Church and what Christ taught.

I cannot be held responsible for the sins of others, I can only be held responsible for my own.

I'd have to pray on it and ask God what he wanted me to do.

[giblets]

If this were so, then divorce would be impermissible because it would mean depriving someone of their right to be married.

"If people had a right to work, firing someone would be illegal because it would deprive them of their right to work"

[Ben Kenobi]

you are using the RCC to provide legitimation for your hate for homosexuals.

I am convinced that scripture teaches that homosexuality is a sin. I am also convinced that the Catholic church is Christ's church that he founded himself.

I am Catholic - because I have faith in the Church to stick with Christ and his teachings, moreso than anyone else.

My conviction that homosexuality is wrong, comes from Romans and Corinthians that state this very clearly. If I didn't have faith in the Catholic church, I wouldn't be with them. But it was not the Catholic church that taught me that homosexuality was wrong.

[rah]

Choice one would be the same thing that St. Athanasius had to deal with the Church hierarchy, and eventually he was proclaimed to be in the right. I am not certain I would leave, but if I stayed, I would fight for the Church and what Christ taught.

I'm not familiar with St. Athanasius. Does this mean that you would stay with the church but say they're wrong and not only believe what you do but fight the church's position?

[dannubis]

Ben, you ARE using the RCC to justify your hate for homosexuals. Admit it!

[rah]

Actually I think he's using his interpretation of scripture to justify it.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm not familiar with St. Athanasius. Does this mean that you would stay with the church but say they're wrong and not only believe what you do but fight the church's position?

My patron Saint is St. Athanasius of the West - St. Hilary of Poitiers.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07349b.htm

Belonging to a noble and very probably pagan family, he was instructed in all the branches of profane learning, but, having also taken up the study of Holy Scripture and finding there the truth which he sought so ardently, he renounced idolatry and was baptized.

Here the Bishop of Poitiers courageously presented himself to defend orthodoxy, but the council, composed for the most part of Arians, refused to hear him, and being shortly afterwards denounced to the Emperor Constantius, the protector of Arianism, he was at his command transported to the distant coasts of Phrygia.

Phrygia is in Asia Minor, formerly Galatia. He was exiled by the Emperor, and was eventually exiled back, returning to his see after 20 some years away. When he was sent home, he chose to travel around the mediterranean, and walked home.

St. Athanasius, is even more familiar.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02035a.htm

Does this mean that you would stay with the church but say they're wrong and not only believe what you do but fight the church's position?

If I prayed and found that my studies of Orthodoxy continued to confirm the conclusion that I hold now, and I felt that God was calling me to stay. If Orthodoxy were right, then the point would be moot, and it would mean that I've spent all my time with the Catholic church in error. So I'd have to resolve that first, then decide whether to stay with the Catholic church or go with the SSPX.

[dannubis]

Actually I think he's using his interpretation of scripture to justify it.

Which is different from what I said, how?

[Aeson]

I'd have to pray on it and ask God what he wanted me to do.

Probably something like:

"Cast out the beam from your own eye"
"Love thy neighbor"
"Judge not lest ye be judged"
"Let he who is perfect cast the first stone"
"Whatever you have done to the least of these, you have done it unto me"

Which of course you would interpret to mean to go out and discriminate against homosexuals...

[Ben Kenobi]

Which of course you would interpret to mean to go out and discriminate against homosexuals...

I think you're skipping over the part, "come out so we can have sex with him!"