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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI ask the same question as gribbler. Why then is failure to consummate grounds for divorce?
Note the common law exception around consummation had nothing to do with gay people as I understand it and was more around allowing the impotent, disabled or sexually disinterested to marry without having their partner able to render the marriage a nullity at any later time.You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo
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Let's see... slavery....
- you are property
So, slavery, you are property. Taxation, you are property. You are owned by the state.
your owner can do with you what you want
They can rape you
They can beat you
They can sell your family members to other owners
You have no choices on how to live your life
You have no freedom
You owe part of what you make to the government
Ben Land is an ugly and bigoted place.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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The fact that most people chose not to do that only means they feel staying in the US is an even better option than that.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Ben has claimed in the past that blacks were better off when they were slaves than they are now.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Newsflash, there was a global financial meltdown near the end of Bush's tenure that gave us the worst recession since WWII.
Wasn't the stimulus supposed to actually stimulate something other than his own bank account? I wonder how much he managed to skim off the top. I doubt we'll ever know.
There wasn't much Obama could do about it except deficit spending in an attempt to stimulate the economy which he obviously did.
Instead, he's racked up deficits greater than anywhere in the free world. And the result? All that public spending, and the economy is still doing terribly. So many people have given up that they are out of the workforce entirely.
Newsflash, the decline in labor force participation began under Bush. Apparently as the population ages more people "retire" and stop wanting work.
Oh, and black folks too. Obama has put more black folks out of work than anyone since FDR.
Newsflash, the US economy has grown a lot since then but almost all of the gains have gone to the rich.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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You'll note that number 3 doesn't say "have babies" It just says first marital sexual intercourse.
Now I know in sick Ben christian land that all sexual intercourse is meant to produce babies
and any deviation from that goal
in the non sicko world, sexual intercourse means sexual intercourse. Gays qualify there.
So failure to consummation as a reason for divorce is totally irrelevant to the argument.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Lack of consummation is NOT grounds for divorce if the parties married with no expectation of consumation. While is is considered a fundamental aspect of many marriages (and therefore its lack is grounds for divorce (or to render the marriage a nullity)) it is not a fundamental part of all marriages.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSo Obama, like Hoover is both ineffective and worthless at fixing the economy. Good to know it's still Bush's fault for Obama's devastatingly bad economic policies.
Wasn't the stimulus supposed to actually stimulate something other than his own bank account? I wonder how much he managed to skim off the top. I doubt we'll ever know.
He could have cut unnecessary domestic spending, the size of the government, lowered the tax burden on corporations, lowered the tax burden on individuals.
Instead, he's racked up deficits greater than anywhere in the free world. And the result? All that public spending, and the economy is still doing terribly. So many people have given up that they are out of the workforce entirely.
Which is why young people under 30 are seeing record lows in workforce participation dating back to the depression? It's actually the older folks who are doing proportionally better than every one else. The people who are really taking it in the shorts are the young folks who have the misfortune of coming of age in the Obama era.
Oh, and black folks too. Obama has put more black folks out of work than anyone since FDR.
Actually, all the gains have been given up. There were concrete real wealth gains, but now, things are back to the late 70s. A huge part of it is the inflationary policies that have massively eroded the value of the American dollar.
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Originally posted by AsherOh yes. It also mentioned he's there illegally right now. The school he supposedly works for NOW is "helping him" get a work visa.Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.Sub-forums: Sports Forum, Technology Forum
How is that coming along?
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Originally posted by Ben KenobiGribbler:
At least Slaves had the opportunity to obtain their freedom by fleeing to the North.Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.Sub-forums: Sports Forum, Technology Forum
And that's why being a slave in the antebellum South was better than being here today, apparently.
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Well, Ben, I see that your predilection for assigning bizarrely irrelevant, contradictory and obviously unfounded meaning to the statements of others, and drawing just as obviously false conclusions, remains intact.
In one post, you contradicted me without factual support, offered a bad analogy in lieu of discussion, suggested I was conceding an argument that is neither conceded nor relevant, and claimed I held that that there's been no 'progress' in 50 years (apparently because I torched your original claim of 100 years). Of course, the fact that you are incapable of admitting that your blanket suggestion that "changing rules damages society as a whole" is reactionary and obviously false, is not surprising in the least.
I thought I would greet your return to Poly with a bit of discussion in your own thread. What I got in return was disrespect, illogic, and intellectual dishonesty. Interesting concept of how to treat the people who welcomed your return.
Well, I don't accept it.
So welcome back, Ben Kenobi. And good-bye.Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThe fact that you can do things in the Philippines that you cannot do any longer in America, reinforces my argument.
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