Hello everybody

[giblets]

Let's see... slavery....
- you are property
- your owner can do with you what you want
- They can rape you
- They can beat you
- They can sell your family members to other owners
- You have no choices on how to live your life
- You have no freedom

Taxes
- You have freedom
- You owe part of what you make to the government

Not even close Ben...
Yes, this is one of the most moronic posts you have ever made. But one we would expect from you.
Ben Land is an ugly and bigoted place.

Yeah, but the labor force participation rate is higher under slavery.

[Flubber]

I ask the same question as gribbler. Why then is failure to consummate grounds for divorce?

Lack of consummation is NOT grounds for divorce if the parties married with no expectation of consumation. While is is considered a fundamental aspect of many marriages (and therefore its lack is grounds for divorce (or to render the marriage a nullity)) it is not a fundamental part of all marriages.

Note the common law exception around consummation had nothing to do with gay people as I understand it and was more around allowing the impotent, disabled or sexually disinterested to marry without having their partner able to render the marriage a nullity at any later time.

[giblets]

Of course he ignored this brilliant post.

Welcome back Ben.

Of course he does. He's an unrepentant bigot and he only uses his brain to come up with rationalizations for it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Let's see... slavery....
- you are property

Oh, and what happens to people who owe money to the IRS? They are arrested and go to jail.

So, slavery, you are property. Taxation, you are property. You are owned by the state.

your owner can do with you what you want

And the state can do with you what they want. See above.

They can rape you

Sounds like prison.

They can beat you

Sounds like prison. So far it's 4/4.

They can sell your family members to other owners

And what happens to your children if you are arrested and put in jail? They become wards of the state, who are given to foster families. 5/5

You have no choices on how to live your life

So you're aware of the current bill that Pelosi is pushing, that if the IRS says you owe money, you lose your passport? That's a significant step towards total control of your life.

You have no freedom

And when you are arrested, you don't have freedom either.

You owe part of what you make to the government

You are owned by the government, for whom you work for 6 months of the year, and you're thankful that they let you have the other 6 months? America used to know what real freedom was like.

Ben Land is an ugly and bigoted place.

How is arguing that income taxation is equivalent to slavery, where the fruits of your labor are consumed by the apparatus of the state? At least under slavery, you could flee and escape. The current Pelosi law is akin to the fugitive slave law, barring people from escaping their master, the state.

[Ben Kenobi]

The fact that most people chose not to do that only means they feel staying in the US is an even better option than that.

The fact that you can do things in the Philippines that you cannot do any longer in America, reinforces my argument.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben has claimed in the past that blacks were better off when they were slaves than they are now.

Well, you're going to have to provide a citation for 'something I pulled outta my ass that I sincerely wish were true'.

[Ben Kenobi]

Newsflash, there was a global financial meltdown near the end of Bush's tenure that gave us the worst recession since WWII.

So Obama, like Hoover is both ineffective and worthless at fixing the economy. Good to know it's still Bush's fault for Obama's devastatingly bad economic policies.

Wasn't the stimulus supposed to actually stimulate something other than his own bank account? I wonder how much he managed to skim off the top. I doubt we'll ever know.

There wasn't much Obama could do about it except deficit spending in an attempt to stimulate the economy which he obviously did.

He could have cut unnecessary domestic spending, the size of the government, lowered the tax burden on corporations, lowered the tax burden on individuals.

Instead, he's racked up deficits greater than anywhere in the free world. And the result? All that public spending, and the economy is still doing terribly. So many people have given up that they are out of the workforce entirely.

Newsflash, the decline in labor force participation began under Bush. Apparently as the population ages more people "retire" and stop wanting work.

Which is why young people under 30 are seeing record lows in workforce participation dating back to the depression? It's actually the older folks who are doing proportionally better than every one else. The people who are really taking it in the shorts are the young folks who have the misfortune of coming of age in the Obama era.

Oh, and black folks too. Obama has put more black folks out of work than anyone since FDR.

Newsflash, the US economy has grown a lot since then but almost all of the gains have gone to the rich.

Actually, all the gains have been given up. There were concrete real wealth gains, but now, things are back to the late 70s. A huge part of it is the inflationary policies that have massively eroded the value of the American dollar.

[Ben Kenobi]

You'll note that number 3 doesn't say "have babies" It just says first marital sexual intercourse.

It says the union in marriage. Men and women.

Now I know in sick Ben christian land that all sexual intercourse is meant to produce babies

Aren't you a Catholic? Yeah, it's official Catholic teaching that sex is supposed to produce babies. It's not exactly controversial. Have sex, have a baby. Gosh.

and any deviation from that goal

You don't have to have sex if you don't want babies.

in the non sicko world, sexual intercourse means sexual intercourse. Gays qualify there.

Uh, so there's no difference between sodomy and sex?

So failure to consummation as a reason for divorce is totally irrelevant to the argument.

Nonsense. Consummation is considered to be an essential part of marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

Lack of consummation is NOT grounds for divorce if the parties married with no expectation of consumation. While is is considered a fundamental aspect of many marriages (and therefore its lack is grounds for divorce (or to render the marriage a nullity)) it is not a fundamental part of all marriages.

Barring physical impediment, this argument doesn't work, as you noted in your post.

[giblets]

So Obama, like Hoover is both ineffective and worthless at fixing the economy. Good to know it's still Bush's fault for Obama's devastatingly bad economic policies.

Wasn't the stimulus supposed to actually stimulate something other than his own bank account? I wonder how much he managed to skim off the top. I doubt we'll ever know.



He could have cut unnecessary domestic spending, the size of the government, lowered the tax burden on corporations, lowered the tax burden on individuals.

Instead, he's racked up deficits greater than anywhere in the free world. And the result? All that public spending, and the economy is still doing terribly. So many people have given up that they are out of the workforce entirely.



Which is why young people under 30 are seeing record lows in workforce participation dating back to the depression? It's actually the older folks who are doing proportionally better than every one else. The people who are really taking it in the shorts are the young folks who have the misfortune of coming of age in the Obama era.

Oh, and black folks too. Obama has put more black folks out of work than anyone since FDR.



Actually, all the gains have been given up. There were concrete real wealth gains, but now, things are back to the late 70s. A huge part of it is the inflationary policies that have massively eroded the value of the American dollar.

Real gdp per capita is not where it was in the 70s, idiot. Yeah, I'm sure the stimulus went into Obama's secret Swiss bank account nobody knows about. If you're advancing conspiracy theories like that you've pretty much given up on rational discussion. Claiming that labor force participation has decreased among the young does not address the fact that the population is aging, genius. Labor force participation among people over 65 is much lower than among people under 65. Obama did offer tax relief as part of his stimulus but apparently lowering taxes doesn't automatically make everything rosy again.

[giblets]

Oh yes. It also mentioned he's there illegally right now. The school he supposedly works for NOW is "helping him" get a work visa.

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/195683-Educate-Ben-about-black-women/page11

How is that coming along?

[giblets]

Gribbler:

At least Slaves had the opportunity to obtain their freedom by fleeing to the North.

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/195683-Educate-Ben-about-black-women/page2

And that's why being a slave in the antebellum South was better than being here today, apparently.

[-Jrabbit]

[QUOTE=Ben Kenobi;6107117]

Well, Ben, I see that your predilection for assigning bizarrely irrelevant, contradictory and obviously unfounded meaning to the statements of others, and drawing just as obviously false conclusions, remains intact.

In one post, you contradicted me without factual support, offered a bad analogy in lieu of discussion, suggested I was conceding an argument that is neither conceded nor relevant, and claimed I held that that there's been no 'progress' in 50 years (apparently because I torched your original claim of 100 years). Of course, the fact that you are incapable of admitting that your blanket suggestion that "changing rules damages society as a whole" is reactionary and obviously false, is not surprising in the least.

I thought I would greet your return to Poly with a bit of discussion in your own thread. What I got in return was disrespect, illogic, and intellectual dishonesty. Interesting concept of how to treat the people who welcomed your return.

Well, I don't accept it.

So welcome back, Ben Kenobi. And good-bye.

[Addled Platypus]

fine....just fine

love us and leave us..

[Aeson]

The fact that you can do things in the Philippines that you cannot do any longer in America, reinforces my argument.

This may come as a surprise to you, but people do in fact own houses and land in the US. The only reason land/house prices are higher in the US is because people can/will pay that much to own them. If they can't afford it, or nobody wanted to pay that much, the price would drop.