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Completely agree.
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Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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No. I just said it made me question my opinion about it.Already convicted him without a trial?
No. I was thinking more an international tribunalDo you think he would get a fair trial in Afghanistan?
I think it would probably be fair, but I don't know if it would be perceived that way.Do you believe that the U.S. Military, with the world looking down their back, would not conduct a fair trial?
The severity of the offense.Why has this instance almost changed your thinking?It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Yes.Originally posted by kentonio View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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No US President will ever allow a US soldier to be tried before an International tribunal.Originally posted by rah View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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I think I remember something about some of the procedures at the Hague that the U.S. disagreed with but I can't recall exactly what they were. Still, I believe that his best chance of getting a fair trial is a U.S. Military trial. They have every reason to make sure that it is a model of fairness while they still have troops on the ground in Afghanistan...not to mention about a billion reporters looking for the slightest irregularity.Originally posted by Wezil View Post
Also, we have an agreement with Afghanistan that U.S. soldiers will be tried in U.S. courts. It would be the first step in unfairness to single this soldier out."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Fair enough. I am uncertain that any type of international tribunal would be the answer. There are a lot of different agendas in the international arena. It might be a fair trial...it might not.Originally posted by rah View Post"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
The precedent it would set is, to me, the most dangerous part of that. This particular case may go as it is supposed to but what about the next one...."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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International tribunals are a giant bad joke. I would place zero faith in them.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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That's about the same amount of faith the Afghans will have in a US military tribunal.
You might as well withdraw the troops already. The battle for "hearts and minds" is truly lost."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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I suspect this soldier will get a perfectly fair trial in the military court. The afghans may not see it that way, but that is not the point of the trial. Nor should it be. That does tend to be the point of these international tribunals, however. They are as much or more about optics than justice.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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You missed the point.
Why continue the nation building charade one day longer?"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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Have I been arguing in favor of that? I have been in the "we should have just bombed them and left" camp for a couple years now.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I'm talking about how the trial will be perceived by Afghans and you are going on about whether it will actually be fair or not and how ****ty the international tribunals are.
I don't know if the defendant will get a fair trial or not by a military tribunal (I'll leave others with more interest in that aspect of it to argue) but I do know how the process is seen by Afghans is most important to the military/political situation on the ground (the point of the thread, no?)."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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I don't think we should throw away a soldier's right to trial simply to try to improve a hopeless PR wreck.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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