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I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostAs you've defined those terms, no. But if one person is capable of achieving huge results and another person is only capable of achieving meager results, they never really had equal opportunities to begin with. And the person with more results has options available to them that the person with meager results doesn't have, so they aren't equally free either.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostThat is of course true, yet for centuries being a black person in America meant that you were routinely oppressed. Is it then a reasonable burden to put on people who lived through that oppression that they must not use race based generalities, despite suffering under the same for generations? More importantly can anyone really claim comparison between a rich white radio host spouting racist comments and a black person who suffered under oppression expressing anti-white sentiment?
Thankfully in a few more generations it will all (hopefully) be history and then the normal rules of equality can begin to apply, but now? When people are still walking the streets who lived through segregation? Seriously?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk View PostNevertheless, it's the feeling I get from you and others. It really bothers me.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostYeah, because you seem to think a black person has reasons to be a racist but a white person doesn't.
Answer this for me, would you find it at least understandable if the Jews felt uneasy/hostile towards the German people?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostAnswer this for me, would you find it at least understandable if the Jews felt uneasy/hostile towards the German people?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostDo blacks in America have more reason/justification to be racist than whites? Yes, I'd say they certainly do. Does that make it right? No, not really, but its certainly more understandable. I do find it especially telling that you don't seem to understand why that might be the case though.
Answer this for me, would you find it at least understandable if the Jews felt uneasy/hostile towards the German people?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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I feel uneasy around Germans. I thought everyone was like that. Even Germans.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostDo blacks in America have more reason/justification to be racist than whites? Yes, I'd say they certainly do. Does that make it right? No, not really, but its certainly more understandable. I do find it especially telling that you don't seem to understand why that might be the case though.
Answer this for me, would you find it at least understandable if the Jews felt uneasy/hostile towards the German people?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostAs you're one of the more racist posters on this board
Personally, I don't think you're quite as racist as I previously posted. I just don't think you've thought your views through at all. Let's look at this post:
The idea that white supremacism has not given rise to vast amounts of anger and resentment is pretty ****ing stupid to be quite honest.
More accurately, white supremacism is part of the explanation for why black supremacism exists. It is not the only explanation or reason.
Incidentally, I can't really be blamed for your bad writing. Here's what you wrote earlier:
For American whites to squeal about how terribly racist it is for those horrible civil rights leaders to actually say bad things about white people, is absolutely laughable. Wounds run deep.
Here's what you're writing now (and I repeat the previous quote intentionally):
The idea that white supremacism has not given rise to vast amounts of anger and resentment is pretty ****ing stupid to be quite honest.
Now, you've either changed your position here or you haven't. Are "American whites" to blame, or are American "white supremacists" to blame? The two are not one and the same. They never were, and they're certainly not right now. Keep in mind that the American people have elected white supremacists to the office of President before--like Woodrow "Birth of a Nation" Wilson. But that doesn't mean that every single person, merely by reason of pale skin, is or ever believed in the ideology of white supremacism.
It is plain racist to suppose that every American white is responsible for, and thus cannot justly complain of, black supremacism. It is precisely this latter idea that is implicit in your statement that it is "laughable" for "American whites" to "squeal" about "horrible things" that "civil rights leaders" say.
In retrospect I fully concede the likelihood you did not think this idea through to its logical conclusion, and thus, are not an open, explicit and coherent advocate for, say, refusing to enforce the law against the victims of black supremacist violence and intimidation.
You have also written that the actions of black supremacists are "comprehensible", but that you do not condone them. Well, of course they are comprehensible. Black supremacists commit racist actions because they are racist. They grew up in a political culture borne of slavery, so they were often ill-educated and therefore prone to accepting conspiratorial or nonsensical explanations for how the world worked. And in the face of racial intimidation the best explanation they could come up with was that everyone was agains them; they cast about for the usual victims: migrants, Jews, Whites, everyone. The New Black Panthers are simply the logical outgrowth of black supremacism--borne, in turn, of white supremacism. But all that doesn't matter. What matters is that black supremacism exists and that it must be combatted; and that those who excuse its existence and refuse to condemn its leaders must be named and shamed.
Further, the idea that supremacists of any colour are not entitled to the protection of the law is simply a recipe for vigilantism, mob justice and racially inspired violence. Supremacists may not believe in the equal protection of the law but they are entitled to it as is any other person. Conversely they must be subjected to the equal enforcement of the law against them--or else their power, willingness to commit violence and intimidation will expand.
Further, you mistake advocacy for a particular outcome with advocacy for the ideas that underly it. Advocacy for black entitlement to the equal protection of the law is commendable and necessary. But Sharpton and Jackson's open racism against Jews, Koreans, Chinese, and Whites is part of an agenda of black supremacism; for them black entitlement to the equal protection of the law is merely a first step. Intimidating others and gaining power based on racial patronage is their goal. You don't appear to understand this salient fact.
You also don't appear to understand that the danger posed by the New Black Panthers lies in the fact that it is openly tolerated by so-called "civil rights" groups that are headed by racists like Sharpton. The members of groups headed by Sharpton are either ignorant of his racism (unlikely), cynics (possible) or racists themselves (equally possible). You mistake advocacy for civil rights with advocacy for race-based privileges and patronage.
Lastly, you are completely unable to comprehend, let alone condemn, an Administration that has openly endorsed Al Sharpton--a known and open racist; and accepted, without comment, the endorsement of the New Black Panthers: a group it chose to march with and refused to take legal action against.
And I do not doubt that the Administration's logic was not far from your own when its members thought of Al Sharpton. I do not doubt that those who refused to take action also thought:
For American whites to squeal about how terribly racist it is for those horrible civil rights leaders to actually say bad things about white people, is absolutely laughable. Wounds run deep.
And, by necessary implication, I do not doubt that they also thought somewhere along these lines (I do not quote from you, but merely rephrase as necessary):
"For American whites to squeal about how terribly racist it is for those black supremacists like the New Black Panthers leaders threaten to kill every white person alive, or perhaps plant pipe bombs in front of stores owned by Asians, is absolutely laughable. They're fighting for black people. Why shouldn't we march with them? Why should we take legal action to prevent them from walking about with nightsticks, calling out threats against whites, next to polling booths? Wounds run deep."Last edited by Zevico; May 2, 2012, 08:45."You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostIt's more a question of why should they? Why was Rev Wright castigated for saying 'Not God bless America, God damn America'?
Because he's an anti-American radical whose hobbies include visiting Cuba and praising Fidel Castro.
Because he thinks Jesus was black, not because there is any evidence for same, but because "so it must be": in short, a form of black supremacism mixed with so-called "social justice" theology."You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostNot really, I've quite clearly advanced the argument that after people suffer horrible oppression for generations there will be a natural and yes understandable level of race based anger and resentment towards those perceived to have been at fault. It's not a nice thing but it is basically inevitable, and those who seek to deny it usually do so by putting the burden back on those who were oppressed in the first place. Apparently when people are treated like total ****, its a reasonable expectation that they will then act with utter decorum and saint like patience and understanding towards their oppressors.
I failed as a parent that day for not realizing that it was a reasonable expectation of my daughters behavior and should have seen the brilliance of her logic and ability to 'advance the arguement' accordingly. Additional failures that day likely are as follows:
1) A rush to see if my older daughter was severely injured. Heck she was priveledged by virtue of birth she gets what she deserves. (she after all was stronger and more experienced than the 5 year old)
2) Failure to chastise my older daughter for her incindiary behaviour that led to the clearly understandable and justified behavior of my 5 yr old
3) Failure to tell my older daughter to stop the whining and playing the martyr. Clearly the suck it up you have nothing to whine about makes things so much better.
4) it goes of course without saying that since I punished my 5 year old for inappropriate behavior, the clearly false premise of minimal social expectations should have be voided when faced with 'understandable' circumstances. Call social services immediately.Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; May 2, 2012, 09:35."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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