Why isn't this murder?

[Al B. Sure!]

Of course Romney agrees with Limbaugh on the idea that it is absurd that a woman is asking taxpayers to pay for her birth control for sexual (not medical) purposes! Liberals don't seem to comprehend how rightly absurd that is. We're not talking birth control for medical issues but as purely contraception. The fact of the matter is, sex is not a medical necessity and the government shouldn't subsidize someone's birth control any more than they should subsidize someone's gas used for driving, especially when cheaper alternatives that also limit STD's (such as condoms) exist.

I've gotten into arguments with liberals on my defense of Limbaugh's basic point and their brains seem incapable of fathoming that there's something wrong with the idea of asking the government to pay for your contraception.

[kentonio]

Of course Romney agrees with Limbaugh on the idea that it is absurd that a woman is asking taxpayers to pay for her birth control for sexual (not medical) purposes! Liberals don't seem to comprehend how rightly absurd that is.

Of course the fact that she wasn't actually asking for that at all shouldn't interfere with the storm of rightous anger now should it.

[giblets]

What was Romneys reply when asked about the Fluke 'slut' incident?

So... he disagrees with calling Fluke a 'slut', therefore Romney supports Rush?

[kentonio]

So... he disagrees with calling Fluke a 'slut', therefore Romney supports Rush?

Please don't be disingenuous, if he actually disagreed you'd think he could have chosen rather stronger language than 'it's not the language I would have used'. Would he have called her a woman of loose moral virtue instead?

[giblets]

Please don't be disingenuous, if he actually disagreed you'd think he could have chosen rather stronger language than 'it's not the language I would have used'. Would he have called her a woman of loose moral virtue instead?

You're the one being disingenuous. Romney doesn't want to mandate coverage of birth control pills. He also doesn't think it was okay to demonize Fluke and call her a 'slut'.

[kentonio]

You're the one being disingenuous. Romney doesn't want to mandate coverage of birth control pills. He also doesn't think it was okay to demonize Fluke and call her a 'slut'.

Oh please, he could very easily have stated his position while clearly disassociating himself from Limbaughs obnoxiousness. The fact we're even discussing it means he chose not to do so.

[regexcellent]

He did disassociate himself from Limbaugh's obnoxiousness by saying that he should not have called her a slut.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

The fact we're even discussing it means he chose not to do so.

Or alternatively it could simply mean that some of us are delusional, while the rest of us see a politicians clear attempt to indicate he believes the language was not appropriate.

[kentonio]

He did disassociate himself from Limbaugh's obnoxiousness by saying that he should not have called her a slut.

Except he didn't, he just weaseled about the choice of language.

Or alternatively it could simply mean that some of us are delusional, while the rest of us see a politicians clear attempt to indicate he believes the language was not appropriate.

Did he say it was inappropriate or are you just putting what he actually said into words that would have been more.. appropriate?

[Zevico]

Let's review.

In an earlier post, I asserted that:

1. MSNBC hosts Al Sharpton, who has sympathised with violent rioters, denigrated Jews, and thereby endorsed and enabled their violence against Jews.

Kentonio's response: crickets chirping.

2. NBC is responsible for editing a 911 to make it suggest that an innocent man was basically a racist skinhead out to kill a black person. Not a call for violence per se, merely the mark of an incredibly cynical pack of liars who aren't worth a damn. NBC owns (surprise!) MSNBC.

Kentonio's response: crickets chirping.

3. The rest of the establishment media is responsible for being a collection of incomepent halfwits who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag and who were happy to continue this farce along without a second's thought.

Kentonio's response: crickets chirping.

4. The entirety of the media is responsible for not:
- calling out the New Black Panthers on the fact they've put a bounty on Zimmerman's head;

Kentonio's response: assuming that putting a bounty on someone's head is perfectly legal in the United States. Why? Because any other reading of the facts might suggest that members of the Panthers responsible for this incident are guilty of a crime.

- calling out the Administration for failing to charge the New Black Panthers for putting a bounty on Zimmerman's head

Solicitation--kidnapping. A federal crime in the US. Administration response: none so far. Kentonio's response: crickets chirping.

- Calling out Obama, not to mention Hillary Clinton, for marching with the deeply racist New Black Panthers during the Democrat primary race;

Kentonio's response: it's all a GOP lie. Except for the part where you admit that he marched with the Panthers. Which is exactly what I said. And except for the part where Obama met a Black Panther rep. Yes, except for that there's no no reason to question why Obama and Clinton chose to march with these people. No reason to question whether they should object to marching with the black equivalent of the KKK. None at all.

- calling out the Administration for endorsing Sharpton, who endorsed violence against Jews;

Kentonio's response: a bunch of white guilt claptrap that amounts to a short, incoherent statement about things not being "simple."

Sharpton endorsed violence. The Administration endorsed Sharpton. Is the Administration in the wrong for endorsing this man? Of course. Is Sharpton in the wrong? Of course.

- calling out the President for making statements that openly suggest that he sympathises with a Travyon, who may or may not be a crime victim or a criminal, just because he's black and now dead.

Kentonio's response: but he said other stuff too, all about how he was young and how tragic his death was. Well yes, he was young, and it was a tragic death. Yet Obama also sympathised with someone who may or may not have been a criminal or a victim, simply because they shared the same skin colour.

- Calling out NBC for hiring a bunch of cynical liars.

Kentonio's response: crickets chirping.

- Calling out MSNBC for hiring a man who endorses violence and supported a race riot.

Kentonio's response: crickets chirping.

Kentonio also happily quoted from a 9/11 Truther website stating that Limbaugh was calling for riots in the Democrat convention. He was so willing to believe that Limbaugh was the personification of all evil that he didn't even bother to check the facts: namely, that Limbaugh mentioned that Sharpton had threatened "trouble" [read: riots] at the Democrat convention if Obama wasn't endorsed for President; and Limbaugh stated that he, on some perverse level, thought (perhaps hoped) that if the Sharpton Democrats fulfilled their promise, so that the Democrats would be down for good. Which is not a call for violence.

And when Kentonio got called out on that, did he:
a) admit he was wrong?
b) ruefully state that he shouldn't have trusted a truther website?
c) call me a GOP stooge?
d) a combination of (a) and (b)?
If you picked "c", you've won the power ball!

[The Mad Monk]

Yeah, I try to avoid infowars and prisonplanet. It seems that every time I get a juicy link to either I end up disappointed and annoyed.

[Zevico]

The below three quotes were posted by Dashi in some thread he linked to, in an earlier post above.

At her last rally in Florida, Sarah Palin told the audience that Barack Obama "palled around with terrorists" adding,"I am just so fearful that this is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America." Upon hearing the Republican VP candidate's concern that Sen. Obama might be a terrorist, a voice in the crowd cried out 'Kill him!'

I refer you to this:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-10-16/news/17907811_1_secret-service-presidential-nominee-barack-obama-bad-taste

WASHINGTON - The Secret Service is looking into a second allegation that a participant at a Republican political rally shouted "kill him," referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

The Scranton Times-Tribune reported that someone in the crowd shouted "kill him" after the mention of Obama's name during a rally Tuesday for Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

Last week The Washington Post reported a similar incident during a Palin rally in Clearwater, Florida. The Secret Service investigated that allegation and found no indication that "kill him" was ever said, or if it had been said, that the remark had been directed at Obama.
Listening to tapes of that rally, the Secret Service heard "tell him" or "tell them," but agents never heard "kill him," Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
...
So far, the Secret Service has not found anyone who heard "kill him" Tuesday except for the Times-Tribune reporter.

That article came out on 16 October 2008--a bit more than a week after the article of 7 October 2008 from which you quoted above.

“[T]hey won yesterday. They won because they held congress and the presidency and therein lies the lesson. We need to defeat these bastards. We need to wipe them out. We need to chase them out of town. [...] “They must my friends, be hounded out of office. Every single Democrat who voted for this needs to know, safe district or not, they are going to be exposed and hassled and chased from office. We now have leftist radicals in charge of your healthcare decisions rather than doctors”

See and compare "let's take these sons of *****es out" per Jimmy Hoffa, who was introducing your President.
Neither are engaging in anything other than political rhetoric. Not calls for violence.

45-year old Byron Williams, incensed by a false conspiracy theory elevated by FNC’s Glenn Beck, aimed to murder 11 employees of ACLU of Northern California and the Tides Foundation. Police stopped Williams before he could reach his intended victims, and eventually subdued him after a 12 minute gun battle in which only two officers suffered minor injuries.

For this incident, see further http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_W..._%28shooter%29

1) Byron Williams has seen Glenn Beck;
2) Williams says Beck has never called for violence;
3) The article does not cite a single instance in which Beck called for violence;
4) Williams also says he was inspired by David Horovitz and well known conspiracy nut, Alex Jones;
5) No mention is actually made in the article of what Beck said of this foundation, and why it constitutes a conspiracy. I'm left wondering: what on earth was Beck on about and what is this conspiracy theory that is 'false', but is not described with any detail? I googled Beck and TIDES and got little more than an article by Dana Millibank. Nothing direct from Beck. So tell you what: I'll start laying the blame on Beck when you find me an article that shows him asking viewers to kill members of "TIDES" and/or the ACLU. Until that happens, stop wasting my time.

[kentonio]

Kentonio's response: crickets chirping.

There's a big difference between not having an answer and not being bothered to give one. Maybe if you didn't try the wild scattershot approach of posting a dozen stupid lies at a time, you might get more answers.

4. The entirety of the media is responsible for not:
- calling out the New Black Panthers on the fact they've put a bounty on Zimmerman's head;

Kentonio's response: assuming that putting a bounty on someone's head is perfectly legal in the United States. Why? Because any other reading of the facts might suggest that members of the Panthers responsible for this incident are guilty of a crime.

My assumption that they havent commited a crime is based on them not being charged with a crime. You seem to think that I actually give a **** about whether they get charged or not though, which is frankly bizarre and a sign that you really do see the world in far too simplistic terms. I find the organization abhorrent, and wouldn't lose a seconds sleep if they were all locked up tomorrow.

- Calling out Obama, not to mention Hillary Clinton, for marching with the deeply racist New Black Panthers during the Democrat primary race;

Kentonio's response: it's all a GOP lie. Except for the part where you admit that he marched with the Panthers. Which is exactly what I said. And except for the part where Obama met a Black Panther rep. Yes, except for that there's no no reason to question why Obama and Clinton chose to march with these people. No reason to question whether they should object to marching with the black equivalent of the KKK. None at all.

Obama attended a large public commemoration event and the NBP leader was in the crowd. The idea that this proves some link between Obama and the New Black Panthers is just so idiotically stupid, that I'm struggling to understand how even you don't see that.

- calling out the Administration for endorsing Sharpton, who endorsed violence against Jews;

Kentonio's response: a bunch of white guilt claptrap that amounts to a short, incoherent statement about things not being "simple."

Sharpton endorsed violence. The Administration endorsed Sharpton. Is the Administration in the wrong for endorsing this man? Of course. Is Sharpton in the wrong? Of course.

I said several times that I find some of his more extreme views obnoxious, but he was a black leader at a time when blacks were being oppressed by whites. You can cry like those little *****es on FOX about 'white guilt' and try and downplay those crimes, but to be honest if I was a black man from the US at that time, I'd be a lot ****ing angrier than Sharpton was.

Yes its different, yes blacks from the civil rights era get a pass on some things that whites do not. Deal with it.

- calling out the President for making statements that openly suggest that he sympathises with a Travyon, who may or may not be a crime victim or a criminal, just because he's black and now dead.

Kentonio's response: but he said other stuff too, all about how he was young and how tragic his death was. Well yes, he was young, and it was a tragic death. Yet Obama also sympathised with someone who may or may not have been a criminal or a victim, simply because they shared the same skin colour.

It's truly sad how low you ****ers are willing to go to attack that President. It's especially sad that the strategy became to try and make up this absurd dialogue about how Americas first black president is actually a huge racist! Yeah, genius way to try and defuse the deep seated racism in the right of the GOP. *golfclap*

Kentonio also happily quoted from a 9/11 Truther website stating that Limbaugh was calling for riots in the Democrat convention.

Because the source in this case was utterly irrelevant and I lazily just posted the first of the hundreds of sources of that quote? As I'm bored of your little strawman though, here's a link to exactly the same story via a Denver news site.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...05/detail.html

He was so willing to believe that Limbaugh was the personification of all evil that he didn't even bother to check the facts: namely, that Limbaugh mentioned that Sharpton had threatened "trouble" [read: riots] at the Democrat convention if Obama wasn't endorsed for President; and Limbaugh stated that he, on some perverse level, thought (perhaps hoped) that if the Sharpton Democrats fulfilled their promise, so that the Democrats would be down for good. Which is not a call for violence.

You actually managed to make me laugh out loud yesterday, when you posted this crap while failing to see that you were just digging the hole for yourself even deeper. Saying that riots in a major American city would be the best thing that could happen to the country is violent rhetoric. You can try and spin, squeal and squeak your way around that, but its pretty obvious to any sane person.

And when Kentonio got called out on that, did he:
a) admit he was wrong?
b) ruefully state that he shouldn't have trusted a truther website?
c) call me a GOP stooge?
d) a combination of (a) and (b)?
If you picked "c", you've won the power ball!

I'll admit I'm wrong when I actually have something to be wrong about. This whole thing started because you foolishly claimed you'd retract your remarks if you were shown proof that Limbaugh or Rush had ever called for violence against Democrats. I gave you that proof and instead of just shutting up, you decided to try and scream it down with a torrent of ridiculous conspiracy theory and bare faced lies.

There are many people here that I fundementally disagree with, but who discuss their beliefs honestly. You on the other hand are inherently dishonest and it puts you squarely in the Ben category.

[DinoDoc]

its different, yes blacks from the civil rights era get a pass on some things that whites do not. Deal with it.

Is this because they such children they can not control themselves emotionally? If not, why such a patronizing attitude?

[kentonio]

Is this because they such children they can not control themselves emotionally? If not, why such a patronizing attitude?

It's more a question of why should they? Why was Rev Wright castigated for saying 'Not God bless America, God damn America'? Why should blacks who were treated like complete **** be expected to smile and tell you its ok, they forgive you, everything can all be happy and calm now? There's STILL racist police departments and racist politicians out there yet blacks are supposed to just rise above it all?