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Why isn't this murder?
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse View PostThe only piece which is different here is that the kid in this case did not commit any crime (prior to the physical confrontation, where the facts are in dispute). However, as far as I can see it that has no bearing on this case (the vigilante is not a law enforcement officer, so he has no right to enforce the law through physical confrontation).
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Originally posted by Aeson View PostHave you ever had someone chase you in the dark? I have. The very act of chasing someone down in the dark is to instigate an altercation. It's self defense if you pop someone who just chased you down in the dark.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse View PostNo, it isn't. It may become self defense depending on what happens when he corners you/you turn around to face him, depending on what he does (which does not have to include him getting his hands on you). Otherwise I could reasonably claim self defense by running down the alley, turning and shooting him in the chest.
Zimmerman reportedly had a bloodied nose. You chase someone down in the dark, that's what you should expect to receive. To receive it, you have to have closed within arm's reach. It is very different than your counter example where there is distance between the two. It's very different than your counter example where a deadly weapon is used.
Zimmerman was obviously wrong to chase the guy down, obviously endangered lives by doing so. He shouldn't be on the streets. He shouldn't have a gun. That's the very least that should have happened.
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I have no idea why people make such huge fusses over things like this. It looks like George Zimmerman is guilty, and it looks like he'll be arrested soon.
There's no need to make this a soapbox for everyone's grievances about racism and law enforcement."You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran
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Originally posted by Jaguar View PostI have no idea why people make such huge fusses over things like this. It looks like George Zimmerman is guilty, and it looks like he'll be arrested soon.
There's no need to make this a soapbox for everyone's grievances about racism and law enforcement.
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Originally posted by Jaguar View PostI have no idea why people make such huge fusses over things like this. It looks like George Zimmerman is guilty, and it looks like he'll be arrested soon.
There's no need to make this a soapbox for everyone's grievances about racism and law enforcement.
Instead of a gun!
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Originally posted by Wezil View PostCorrect. A 911 operator is not a police officerAre you sure ? Until recently, we had police officers answering 911 calls and still have - though a recent reform means that medical calls are sent to medic staff.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by BlackCat View PostAre you sure ? Until recently, we had police officers answering 911 calls and still have - though a recent reform means that medical calls are sent to medic staff.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Jaguar View PostI have no idea why people make such huge fusses over things like this. It looks like George Zimmerman is guilty, and it looks like he'll be arrested soon.
There's no need to make this a soapbox for everyone's grievances about racism and law enforcement.
Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post. Two people who witnessed the crime followed the perpetrator to his house while on the phone with the cops. If the perpetrator had turned around and attacked them would they have ceded their right to self-defense by having followed him?), they ended up charging the guy for 'terroristic threats' for him threatening me... the DA's office told me they were going for witness intimidation, but he took terroristic threats in his plea.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostDenmark is not America. Thank godAre you saying that yanks are happy with low quality nonprofessional service when they call for help ?
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
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Originally posted by BlackCat View PostAre you saying that yanks are happy with low quality nonprofessional service when they call for help ?
I say that even though I've had experience with terrible dispatchers."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostCops belong on the street, not on the phone.
I say that even though I've had experience with terrible dispatchers.
Al, you certainly are an idiot. Professionals at a phone do a way better job than any cheap unexperienced noob no matter what kind of service they are providing.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
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Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
Al, you certainly are an idiot. Professionals at a phone do a way better job than any cheap unexperienced noob no matter what kind of service they are providing."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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