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**Aeson** · March 10, 2012, 15:13

Originally posted by kentonio View Post

Actually I was implying that she can't expect to get outpourings of sympathy when she uses comparable tactics herself. That is not the same thing as saying that the attacks themselves are fine.

Your original wording was rather clear that you felt she didn't have the right to point out such attacks. That is why I took issue with your statement.

Like I said previously, I'm glad you're gravitating away from the wording of your original statement and towards a more rational stance on the matter where it is always wrong to attack someone based on gender or ethnicity.

**DaShi** · March 10, 2012, 15:15

He didn't gravitate away. He made clear his meaning in the very next post and nearly everyone after that. His stance hasn't changed one bit.

**Aeson** · March 10, 2012, 15:18

Originally posted by DaShi View Post

And my argument has been consistent that it is not right to use the attacks of other to justify to obfuscate your own attacks. I've have not once disagreed with your blanket statement of gender and ethnic attacks are wrong. However, I do disagree with you using that as a club to beat others with.

Your argument has been consistently idiotic, I'll give you that. You are the one who tried to obfuscate, with inane "analogy" like this:

"You are saying she has no basis to complain about such attacks, effectively excusing the attackers." - Aeson
"Which in turn effectively excuses her attacks. Don't want nothing, don't start nothing." - DaShi

Your reasoning there was idiotic. Pointing out that she has a right to complain about such attacks does not excuse her attacks. It simply acknowledges her right (and everyones) to not be attacked based on gender or ethnicity. In reality, it condemns her attacks as part of the blanket assertion that everyone has a right to defend themselves against unwarranted attacks based on gender or ethnicity.

**Aeson** · March 10, 2012, 15:23

Originally posted by DaShi View Post

He didn't gravitate away. He made clear his meaning in the very next post and nearly everyone after that. His stance hasn't changed one bit.

Yes it has. He's gone from arguing with me and trying to throw up strawmen to obfuscate the reality of my statements, to claiming my statements that lead us into this are in fact indisputable.

"In both cases they are not "wrong" for their gender or ethnicity. It is wrong to attack either of those issues in both cases." - Aeson

His strawman is to pretend that by "both cases" I am speaking only of the case of Malkin, and am making the opposite claim in regards to Rush. Which is of course completely absurd. I was very clear in this thread that in no cases are attacks on gender or ethnicity warranted, and instead of agreeing with me you both tried to obfuscate the argument at that point with inane and unwarranted extrapolations.

**kentonio** · March 10, 2012, 15:28

Let me see if I can make this slightly easier for you..

Person A walks around randomly punching other people in the face.
Person B randomly punches Person A in the face.
I point out that Person A is not likely to receive much sympathy for being punched in the face randomly given their own previous antics.

This does not mean that I think randomly punching people in the face is a good thing.

Clearer now?

**Aeson** · March 10, 2012, 15:41

Originally posted by kentonio View Post

Let me see if I can make this slightly easier for you..

Person A walks around randomly punching other people in the face.
Person B randomly punches Person A in the face.
I point out that Person A is not likely to receive much sympathy for being punched in the face randomly given their own previous antics.

This does not mean that I think randomly punching people in the face is a good thing.

Clearer now?

No, you've left a lot of it out. Like where you claimed person A would have no right to complain.

**notyoueither** · March 10, 2012, 16:27

Originally posted by kentonio View Post

No that isn't the problem. You're doing what most reasonable people have been doing and assuming that when both sides start shouting that the blame must belong to both sides and compromise much lay somewhere in the middle. It's allowed the right to move the entire political conversation so far to the extremes and make what 10 years ago would have seemed beyond ridicule to today be mainstream political debate.

I posted right after this:

Originally posted by MrFun View Post

I have just as much sympathy for extreme right women, as I do for Ku Klux Klan members who complain about attacks made against them.

Yes, it is a problem. MrFun did not specify a specific person. He categorised everyone with certain political views.

This has been going on for a very long time, but now the volume is a lot higher and the quantity is a lot greater.

It is why political discussion is becoming less productive, with the epitome of that loss of productiveness being the US Congress. It is getting to the point that nothing gets done, and no citizen is well served when that happens.

**MrFun** · March 10, 2012, 16:34

Originally posted by notyoueither View Post

And that right there is the problem.

Both sides are rapidly becoming rabid ijeets, but it's just fine if the target is someone who one disagrees with.

You end up with... something like Apolyton.

It's just that extreme right wing women are stupid.

They support extreme right wingers who want to take away women's rights.

**Jon Miller** · March 10, 2012, 16:34

Maybe they don't think women have the right to kill babies?

JM

**MrFun** · March 10, 2012, 16:35