Seriously, GOP? Really?

[dannubis]

... I'm confused as to why that's funny.

It is sad actually. The Catholic church as an institution never gave a crap about "the poor" and it never will. Some exceptional individuals who actually wanted to follow the teachings of Christ were able to do amazing things but not thanks to the establishment.

[Guynemer]

What does any evidence matter. This is not about the effectiveness of the treatment.

The hell it isn't. It's the effectiveness that makes it treatment.

[MRT144]

The thing that bothers me about the Catholic Hospital thing isn't so much the law aspect, but the whole "We will make you live like we want you to live by rendering only services we deem worthy." If providing contraceptives violates your beliefs to the point that it makes you unable to do your "mission" maybe your "mission" is wolf is sheeps clothing bull****.

I don't think they should be forced to carry contraceptives or provide sterilization services. I also don't have a problem with the government not allowing medicare and medicaid disbursement to clinics and hospitals that refuse to provide basic medical services out of belief, rather than cost.

[Jon Miller]

What will end up happening then is that poor people/etc will not be able to use catholic/etc hospitals.

It just causes harm.

"I am sorry, you can't go to that hospital which is nearby you because your government health care will not pay money to them due to them not providing sterilization services. You will have to go to another hospital in another city. Best of luck getting there."

Be that as it may, why do we keep talking about hospital treatment when everything I have seen has that it is about employee benefits?

JM

[Jon Miller]

Do you have something against kosher deli's?

JM

[Felch]

It is sad actually. The Catholic church as an institution never gave a crap about "the poor" and it never will. Some exceptional individuals who actually wanted to follow the teachings of Christ were able to do amazing things but not thanks to the establishment.

Can an institution ever give a crap about the poor? It's only individuals who are capable of having feelings, an institution is just a structure that those individuals exist in. If this particular institution makes it possible for compassionate individuals to do amazing things in helping the poor, then the institution has merit.

[Guynemer]

This particular institution has also made it possible for sexual predators to abuse children without fear of punishment, thus the institution has no merit.

There is more than one way to play that particular game, Felch.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It is sad actually. The Catholic church as an institution never gave a crap about "the poor" and it never will. Some exceptional individuals who actually wanted to follow the teachings of Christ were able to do amazing things but not thanks to the establishment.

This is one of the strangest comments I've ever read. I believe that the Catholic Church is one of the, if not #1, biggest charitable organization in the world. There have been tons and tons of Catholic theologians who have spoken on taking care of the poor and the least of these. It is the reason for Catholic Hospitals, which are numerous.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The hell it isn't. It's the effectiveness that makes it treatment.

Bull****. This is about freedom of religion and freedom of conscience.

[Guynemer]

...just as there have been many Catholic theologians who have spoken of killing the "wicked", the nonbelievers and heretics and blasphemers. It is the reason for Catholic wars, which are numerous.


Again, more than one way to play that game. Both are valid, but neglecting one while focusing on the other is disingenuous.


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[Guynemer]

Bull****. This is about freedom of religion and freedom of conscience.

That is not the point I was addressing in the screed posted by Ozzy. You may have noticed by my reply.

Whether or not this is about religious freedom is in the eye of the beholder, and is another point entirely.

Pre-emptive sorry for DanSing you if I have, indeed, DanSed you.

[MRT144]

What will end up happening then is that poor people/etc will not be able to use catholic/etc hospitals.

It just causes harm.

"I am sorry, you can't go to that hospital which is nearby you because your government health care will not pay money to them due to them not providing sterilization services. You will have to go to another hospital in another city. Best of luck getting there."

Be that as it may, why do we keep talking about hospital treatment when everything I have seen has that it is about employee benefits?

JM

Not providing contraceptives causes harm. Why should the government support an agency that has explicit interest in causing harm to poor people? Because not doing so creates more harm? Well **** the Catholic Church for taking poor people hostage with their ideological idiocy.

As for your "kosher deli" logic, GTFO. Kosher Delis do not cause harm.

As for employee benefits, only a self loathing ******* would work for the Catholic Church in any capacity. Hope the church likes attracting more kiddy diddling *******s because they can't take a reasonable approach to humanity.

[The Mad Monk]

The hell they don't! Cured meats increase the cancer rate!!!

[rah]

As for employee benefits, only a self loathing ******* would work for the Catholic Church in any capacity. Hope the church likes attracting more kiddy diddling *******s because they can't take a reasonable approach to humanity.

If your family was starving and had no roof over your head, I'm sure you wouldn't refuse a job working for Satan, so please don't insult people just because they work for the Church in some obscure manner.

[Imran Siddiqui]

...just as there have been many Catholic theologians who have spoken of killing the "wicked", the nonbelievers and heretics and blasphemers. It is the reason for Catholic wars, which are numerous.

Do you find this often in the works of St. Augustine or Thomas Aquinas? So why exactly do you think the Catholics have started hospitals and soup kitchens? To kill and poison the nonbelievers?