Seriously, GOP? Really?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Besides, to claim that Catholic Hospitals are mere "other business areas" is being completely tone deaf. Catholics consider caring for the sick and poor to be part of their mission in the world. It isn't to make money for "church things" - the hospital is considered a "church thing".

HHS is basically telling them that if they don't want to violate their basic tenants they need to either shut down the hospital or stop offering health insurance.

But don't worry, Obama, as he normally does, will capitulate. This time though it'll be for Freedom of Religious Expression.

[Dinner]

Wow, it seems I've been giving some Republican voters too little credit. I saw this on another forum from a die hard Republican supporter:

I'm writing in something clever that's for sure. But if Rick Santorum does somehow get the Republican nomination, I'm straight up voting for Obama.

That's like a huge concession from a die hard Republican so it seems like even some of their partisans realize Santorum is a liar.

[giblets]

Besides, to claim that Catholic Hospitals are mere "other business areas" is being completely tone deaf. Catholics consider caring for the sick and poor to be part of their mission in the world. It isn't to make money for "church things" - the hospital is considered a "church thing".

HHS is basically telling them that if they don't want to violate their basic tenants they need to either shut down the hospital or stop offering health insurance.

But don't worry, Obama, as he normally does, will capitulate. This time though it'll be for Freedom of Religious Expression.

Oh, bull****. The religious don't have a right to claim the healthcare industry as part of their religion just because they think helping the sick is good.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If you don't think that opening hospitals is done because of their faith (and in doing what Jesus said to do), then why do you think they open them?

[a.kitman]

ignorant european question: can a delegate won by let's say gingrich be used for santorum at the convention? if gingrich drop out.

[giblets]

I don't care if someone builds an Italian restaurant because they think it will summon the flying spaghetti monster. If someone opened a restaurant because they believe God commanded them to feed the hungry I wouldn't see them as exempt from the regulations that apply to other restaurants.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So the church exception can only apply to the physical worship building itself and the people who work there?

[a.kitman]

gribbler i get your point. but sometimes the trouble aint worth the effort.

[giblets]

So the church exception can only apply to the physical worship building itself and the people who work there?

Sure. That's what a church is.

[The Mad Monk]

ignorant european question: can a delegate won by let's say gingrich be used for santorum at the convention? if gingrich drop out.

Yes. Typically, the departing candidate will endorse, and instruct his delagates to vote for, one of the remaining candidates. I don't know if the delagates are bound to it, though.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sure. That's what a church is.

Comments like these show how non-believers utterly fail to understand religion.

[giblets]

IMHO the concept of "separation of church and state" kind of implies that laws should make sense to people who aren't a member of your religion.

[dannubis]

Besides, to claim that Catholic Hospitals are mere "other business areas" is being completely tone deaf. Catholics consider caring for the sick and poor to be part of their mission in the world. It isn't to make money for "church things" - the hospital is considered a "church thing".

* Looks at history...

* Admires Imrans ideals but hopes he doesn't forget what actually happen(ed)(s)

[Felch]

That's a pretty silly thing to say. It ignores the fact that people freely practicing their religion will have different beliefs or priorities from others.

XPOST: replying to Gribbler

[a.kitman]

Yes. Typically, the departing candidate will endorse, and instruct his delagates to vote for, one of the remaining candidates. I don't know if the delagates are bound to it, though.

thank you