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If we legislate laws in U.S. based on the Bible . . .
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Actually, actions to protect freedom of conscience is important in a democracy for that very reason.
Imagine that 80% of the populace were like the guy on youtube saying the country should be 'ruled by God' (this isn't so outrageous, it is the case in egypt maybe?).
Then the reason why you would be allowed to vote and make actions based on your belief (That the country should not be 'ruled by God') would be because freedom of conscience is respected.
So it is important to take action to defend it from all positions (including the country should not be 'ruled by God').
JMJon Miller-
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I think its apt on this day to wonder what if Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. thought God had no place in our democracy?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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It's official. Republicans in Congress have been so obstructionist, even blocking things they campaigned on and claimed to support, that this is the most worthless and least productive Congress in history.
Congress logs most futile legislative year on record
It’s official: Congress ended its least-productive year in modern history after passing 80 bills — fewer than during any other session since year-end records began being kept in 1947.
Furthermore, an analysis by The Washington Times of the scope of such activities as time spent in debate, number of conference reports produced and votes taken on the House and Senate floors found that Congress set a record for legislative futility by accomplishing less in 2011 than any other year in history.
The Senate’s record was weakest by a huge margin, according to the futility index, and the House had its 10th-worst session on record.
Of the bills the 112th Congress did pass, the majority were housekeeping measures, such as naming post office buildings or extending existing laws. Sometimes, it was too difficult for the two chambers to hammer out agreements. More often, the Senate failed to reach agreement within the chamber.
That left much of the machinery of the federal government on autopilot, with the exception of spending, where monumental clashes dominated the legislative session.
“Absent unified party control with a bolstered Senate majority, I think it’s just very hard to get things done, particularly in a period when revenues aren’t growing and the decisions are how to cut, and how to cut in the long term,†said Sarah Binder, who studies Congress as a Brookings Institution scholar and professor at George Washington University. “Congress just isn’t very good at solving long-term problems.â€
The futility record could be short-lived. The full House returns from a month-long Christmas break on Tuesday to begin the second session, but all sides expect election-year paralysis, meaning some of the usually routine bills may run into trouble.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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JM, what, in practical terms, do you mean by "voting based on religious belief"? If you mean voting for policies which are based purely on one's religious belief, those would violate the first amendment, I think...
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostI think its apt on this day to wonder what if Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. thought God had no place in our democracy?A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Originally posted by Elok View PostJM, what, in practical terms, do you mean by "voting based on religious belief"? If you mean voting for policies which are based purely on one's religious belief, those would violate the first amendment, I think...“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by MrFun View PostI think MLK Jr. wanted Americans to include God“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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That's fine with me as long as the god is Allah.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.â€
"Capitalism ho!"
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Originally posted by Elok View PostJM, what, in practical terms, do you mean by "voting based on religious belief"? If you mean voting for policies which are based purely on one's religious belief, those would violate the first amendment, I think...
JM
(Note that this is for Elok, if gribber said it than it might have nothing to do with religious belief. Religious belief is a motivator, just like all other sorts of beliefs.)Jon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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I don't think that most people can differentiate than religious beliefs from their non-religious beliefs. I know I can't, and I have actually tried a bit.
By this I mean I can't say 'this belief (which might be 'secular') comes about because I have this other religious belief' or 'this belief (which might be 'religious') comes about because I have this other non-religious belief'. Particular beliefs are obviously secular or religious in fundamental nature, but since any rational person has beliefs that depend upon other beliefs, everything fits together and is related in some way.
JM
(There might be some religious beliefs that can be entirely segregated, but this is not usual.)Last edited by Jon Miller; January 16, 2012, 16:28.Jon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Dinner View Postleast productive Congress in history.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Where as DD ties Drake for the least intelligent poster in history.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostIf you say "I don't want to vote for someone who wants to murder all muslims because murdering muslims is evil" than I would argue that you are voting based on religious belief.
JM
(Note that this is for Elok, if gribber said it than it might have nothing to do with religious belief. Religious belief is a motivator, just like all other sorts of beliefs.)
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Originally posted by Elok View Post? Not getting you here. Do you mean it's based on religious belief insofar as my morals are all ultimately grounded in my Christianity? Because that would make almost everything I think a "religious belief." I prefer to reserve the label for things which are exclusively due/related to religion.
Pretty much every vote you make is therefore based on 'religious belief'.
Just as muslim's in Egypt or that guy on youtube.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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