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  • Originally posted by Felch View Post
    Ron Paul isn't from the Midwest, and he isn't an ethanol baron. Why do you think that he can win in Iowa, but not the South? Do Southerners hate guns and love big government?
    You think Southerners are going to vote for a guy who wants to legalize prostitution and drugs (at least that's going to be the narrative against Paul in South Carolina & Florida)?
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • Subsidiarity is a popular idea among conservatives and libertarians alike. Ron Paul wouldn't exert control over states that pass vice laws, he simply opposes them at a federal level.
      John Brown did nothing wrong.

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      • Subsidiarity is all fine and good at an abstract level among conservatives, but the South would never support a candidate who believed in letting individual communities decide on prostitution or drugs. For one, a lot of Southerners would believe that showed a lack of a proper moral compass.
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • They have a choice to make. Let the GOP wallow in Southern retardation for another generation, or act on Constitutional principle for once. I guess I'm just an optimist.
          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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          • When was the last time that Iowa really mattered? In the good ol' days, back when mid-western farmers were the backbone of the GOP, how a candidate did in Iowa gave a fairly decent indication of how he would do nationally, but if IIRC in the past few decades the Iowas caucus has not been a good predictor of who will ultimately get the nomination.
            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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            • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
              You think Southerners are going to vote for a guy who wants to legalize prostitution and drugs (at least that's going to be the narrative against Paul in South Carolina & Florida)?
              Wouldn't those actually be pretty good selling points in Florida? Well, maybe if he promised to make Percocet available over the counter.
              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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              • If by "good ol' days," you mean 2008, then that would be the last time Iowa really mattered. As we've already discussed, Hillary Clinton was leading national polls by a 19 point margin until an upset in Iowa gave Barack Obama the momentum and media boost he needed to secure the nomination.
                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                • Originally posted by Felch View Post
                  They have a choice to make. Let the GOP wallow in Southern retardation for another generation, or act on Constitutional principle for once. I guess I'm just an optimist.
                  How about we actually pick someone intelligent who doesn't look at the poor and say "screw 'em"? Though I guess in this day and age that makes me a Democrat because no Republican really gives a damn (well aside from those not running like Chris Christie and Mitch Daniels).
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • I don't expect Ron Paul to accomplish much in terms of legislation. I just hope that he adopts a less expensive foreign policy, and puts obstructionists in charge of the DEA and ATF. You want some non-existent candidate to fund huge social programs with money we don't have? Good luck.
                    John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                    • It helps to fund social safety programs which provide assistance for those in need when we don't waste our money on cutting taxes for the richest Americans (yes, as well as curtailing military spending, but Paul isn't willing to use that bonus in order to give assistance to those who most need it).
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • Congress isn't going to pass any tax increases for social programs anytime soon. Not unless there's a big leftward shift in both houses. You have to be realistic about what any President can accomplish.
                        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                        • Aside from his feature (or bug) foreign policy stances, Paul stands no chance against the Dems and in particular Obama given his 90's newsletter writings.

                          .”Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action
                          Regarding arrest rates in DC of black males (85% at the time per a 1992 study by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives)

                          “Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,”
                          “we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”
                          “We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”
                          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                          • Originally posted by Felch View Post
                            Congress isn't going to pass any tax increases for social programs anytime soon. Not unless there's a big leftward shift in both houses. You have to be realistic about what any President can accomplish.
                            A Democratic House & Senate may indeed have enough to pass the so-called "millionare tax". Especially the poll numbers which are supportive of it.
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • i think having a president who wants to end foreign wars and the drug war is more likely to achieve those ends than a president who is happy for the insanity to continue.
                              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                              • Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                                Aside from his feature (or bug) foreign policy stances, Paul stands no chance against the Dems and in particular Obama given his 90's newsletter writings.
                                That bird don't fly. Ron Paul's approval from non-whites leads all other GOP candidates:


                                http://www.prisonplanet.com/cnn-poll-ron-paul-most-popular-republican-amongst-non-whites.html


                                Also new RevPAC ad for Paul:



                                The ad has some devastating info re: campaign donors which bears repeating:

                                Top 3 campaign donors:

                                Romney:

                                Goldman Sachs
                                Credit Suisse
                                Morgan Stanley

                                Newt:
                                Rock Ten (green company)
                                Poet (ethanol)
                                First Fiscal (Real estate)

                                Ron Paul
                                U.S. Army
                                U.S. Airforce
                                U.S. Navy
                                Last edited by HalfLotus; December 22, 2011, 12:03.

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