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  • #16
    Good Night you two are so incredibly stupid.
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
      You're right! Places with lots of emigration, like Europe--they ought to have full employment.
      Seriously?

      If P then Q implies Not P then Not Q?
      Indifference is Bliss

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
        Good Night you two are so incredibly stupid.
        At least I'm not a racist!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
          Seriously?

          If P then Q implies Not P then Not Q?
          We're not discussing a logical negation. We're reversing a trend and seeing if it operates according to the absurd claims of the Know Nothings.

          If higher interest rates discourage borrowing, should we make no assumptions at all about lower interest rates?
          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Felch View Post
            We're not discussing a logical negation. We're reversing a trend and seeing if it operates according to the absurd claims of the Know Nothings.

            If higher interest rates discourage borrowing, should we make no assumptions at all about lower interest rates?
            You can assume that they'd encourage borrowing, not that they'd make it infinite.

            He didn't just reverse the trend.
            Indifference is Bliss

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            • #21
              Well, he was basing it off of my hyperbolic Detroit example. My point was that immigration doesn't reduce available jobs, just as emigration doesn't increase the available jobs. I used Detroit as an example, because its population has plummeted over the past few decades, yet it has higher than average unemployment.

              Clear?
              John Brown did nothing wrong.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Felch View Post
                Well, he was basing it off of my hyperbolic Detroit example. My point was that immigration doesn't reduce available jobs, just as emigration doesn't increase the available jobs. I used Detroit as an example, because its population has plummeted over the past few decades, yet it has higher than average unemployment.

                Clear?
                So migration is the only variable affecting employment? You're onto a nobel prize here, I think.
                Indifference is Bliss

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                • #23
                  WTF? How the hell did you come up with that, out of what I said? If anything I think that migration has a minimal effect on employment. Rather, migration is affected by availability of employment.
                  John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Felch View Post
                    WTF? How the hell did you come up with that, out of what I said?
                    Originally posted by Felch View Post
                    ... its population has plummeted over the past few decades, yet it has higher than average unemployment.

                    Clear?
                    You are basically claiming that nothing that happened in detroit over the past few decades can be positively correlated to employment.

                    Originally posted by Felch View Post
                    If anything I think that migration has a minimal effect on employment. Rather, migration is affected by availability of employment.
                    Oh, I agree with this. I just think that HC's arguments were highly flawed.
                    Indifference is Bliss

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                    • #25
                      N35tor, if you think I was making a serious argument, you're mistaken.
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        N35tor, if you think I was making a serious argument, you're mistaken.
                        Hm? I know you were being sarcastic.
                        Indifference is Bliss

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                        • #27
                          Immigration and emigration are not perfectly asymmetric. The addition of new people looking for jobs can increase unemployment, and almost certainly will in the very short term. How long that will last depends on the ability of the economy they are entering to create new jobs for them to fill. If we could just snap our fingers and create jobs, I doubt we'd be at 9% unemployment right now. It's not always so easy.

                          The reduction of people in general does not increase employment, and may or may not reduce unemployment. Losing a highly skilled worker may take quite a while to replace. Losing someone who is unemployed would reduce unemployment.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
                            You are basically claiming that nothing that happened in detroit over the past few decades can be positively correlated to employment.
                            No I'm saying that the people of Detroit didn't lose their jobs to hordes of unskilled poutine eaters from Windsor. If there are a set number of jobs, and immigrants take those jobs from natives, then emigration should help reduce unemployment. The whole point of the thread is pointing out how stupid that idea is.
                            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                            • #29
                              But HC are correct about this. Importing slaves cheap labor reduces the cost for companies and reduces import since these workers can't afford anything but the extremely nessecary. Further, when natives can't afford life saving medics, they silently dies offf and improves the imp/exp ratio. Lastly, when lots of docs are relived of treating poor people, they have much more time taking care of rich peoples beauty treatments
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                              Steven Weinberg

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                              • #30
                                Of course emigration from Detroit reduced what the unemployment rate. The problem with Detroit is not enough people move away.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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