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  • #46
    He's the basketball player with AIDS.

    He was one the Chicago Bears when they won all of those basketball cups in the 90s.
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    • #47
      James' last second goal to secure the Bears' double in 1995 was one of the greatest sporting moments of my lifetime.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Barnabas View Post
        you can read all of it here
        White American sports administrators have so succeeded in making basketball and football more electrifying spectator sports than soccer that they’ve largely succeeded in pushing whites out of the NBA and NFL.
        This sentiment is repugnant.

        Spoiler:
        There is nothing "electrifying" about basketball in general or the NBA in particular.
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        • #49
          I'm sure it's and electrifying feeling to cash your check as a player.

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          • #50
            Never heard of them.
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
              It's not you. It's on that Steve Sailor guy. Racist as ****.
              Alby, observing that black people in the US tend to be more successful at sports is not racist, it is stating empirically demonstrable fact.
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              • #52
                It actually is racist.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  Alby, observing that black people in the US tend to be more successful at sports is not racist, it is stating empirically demonstrable fact.
                  Why do you care?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                    It actually is racist.
                    Assuming someone is good at sports because they are black is racist. Observing that black people are over-represented in professional sports is not.
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                    • #55
                      No, the actual delineation between people based on skin color and traditional "racial" lines is in itself racist.

                      You realize that the actual hereditary lines of some of the people you are calling "white" and "black" can be very similar, while in other cases the heredity of others you call "black" and "black or "white" and "white" may be much more dissimilar?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                        Kenya and Ethiopia aren't in West Africa, and Moroccans aren't ethnically African at all.


                        Let's look at West Africa, then. Supposedly the genetically inferior footballing region.

                        The problem is that most of the most successful national football teams come from there. And the most successful African footballer (George Weah) was Liberian.

                        It's rubbish. The berk is just making sounds with his mouth, without being troubled as to whether they resemble reality.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          Assuming someone is good at sports because they are black is racist. Observing that black people are over-represented in professional sports is not.
                          That's not what Sailor did. Sailor took it, hypothesized genetic reasons for the supposed differentiation, and then asserted conspiracies to ensure Black dominance of certain sports. Do you see why he's racist? Heraclitus has posted enough about this Sailor guy that we all know he's racist and his site VDARE is considered a hate site by some watch groups.
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                          • #58
                            Heraclitus posted Sailer making the argument that race is not a social construct because it is manifested in Olympic running times. This was my response:

                            Furthermore, Steve Sailer is wrong. He basically responds to the idea of "race is just a social construct" by saying but look, the best runners are African.

                            There's several problems with this. One, it says nothing about the abilities of Africans vs. Europeans, beyond that the very fastest Africans have been so slightly marginally faster on the very extreme end of high level Olympic running than the very fastest people of European extraction. If we selected 1000 people from Hamburg, Germany and 1000 people from Lagos, Nigeria and had them run races, even if we could somehow account for differences in lifestyle, nutrition, etc., is there any more reason to think the Nigerians would be faster than the Germans? I don't imagine so. Could we expect that the very fastest Nigerian would be faster than the fastest German? I would be more inclined to think that would be possible but it may not necessarily be so.

                            Why? I suspect the differences are only being manifested at the very elite level because the differences are so miniscule... they're barely even worth giving a thought to.

                            Take Chris Lemaitre. Lemaitre has a 9.97 second 100m

                            Usain Bolt's world record time was 9.58 seconds.

                            0.39 seconds is the difference between the fastest Caucasian and the fastest man period. 0.39 seconds. That's a little less than the time of a blink of the human eye. And in a completely arbitrary distance of 100m.

                            Does such a difference mean anything? It gets noticed at the Olympic level because this is the highest of the high end where a few milliseconds can mean the difference between an Olympic world record holder and being nothing more than a good collegiate sprinter who isn't good enough to even make your country's Olympic team.

                            In any other context, the difference is so slight, it's not even worth mentioning.

                            And nevermind the fact that, as I said, just because the very fastest African is slightly by the blink of an eye faster than the very fastest European, doesn't mean that any given African is faster than any given European.

                            Furthermore, racial classifications are social constructs because human populations exist on a spectrum. There are populations that one could argue are intermediaries and this is actually represented in elite track, on the endurance events.

                            We all know the very best marathoners are overwhelmingly East African. But venture just across the Sahara where some of the second best distance runners have emerged... [discussed North African endurance and mid-distance runners]

                            ...

                            (Nevermind that English woman, Paula Radcliffe, is the top female marathoner)

                            ...

                            In summary, if "all the best sprinters [by 4/10ths of a second at an arbitrary distance of 100m] are Black" is seriously his argument against race being a social construct... I seriously question his intelligence and assume that the scourge of racism has blocked some of his neural synapses.
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                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • #59
                              Ah. Okay. Just pointing out that observing demographics is not in itself racist.
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                              • #60
                                The genetic advantage West Africans possess in many athletic endeavors is pretty well-accepted.

                                Jamaicans dominated the Olympic 100-meter sprint this weekend, with Usain Bolt setting a world record and his teammates taking all three medals in the...


                                White people just need to accept their second-class status in this area. It's not like they don't have everything else.

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