Israel guilty of stealing Palestinian money because they were accepted into UNESCO

[Dr Strangelove]

Also...

• Guy Walters
• David Meir-Levi
• Shelomo Alfassa
• John Loftus and Mark Aarons
• David Dalin, John Rothmann, and Alan Dershowitz
• Kenneth R. Timmerman

I guess they're all just members of the ZOG's propaganda machine, right Doc?

A number of them are Israeli apologists, but whether or not one British appointed official collaborated with the Nazis doesn't change the fact that the Palestinians weren't given the slightest say so in their fate. OTOH the fact that the British appointed a man with fascist leanings to the highest position in the mandate held by any Palestinian native, albeit a position that was purley symbolic, says what about the British mandate government?

[Dr Strangelove]

Americans have the decency to know they were rat bastards at various points in history. You don't find many if any supporters of Andrew Jackson in the US.

I don't know which Americans you're talking about. That certainly isn't the majority sentiment around here. Well, there was that one period from 1861 to 1865, most folks around here consider that war illegal.

[C0ckney]

Hey, I think its shameful, even more than you do. We're doing and have done terrible things. Americans aren't so nationalist that the vast majority of people are apologists for all our bad deeds.

maybe not, however they are nationalistic enough to continue to support politicians who invade, occupy and bomb other countries.

also what, exactly, makes you think that the vast majority of english people are apologists for everything that the british empire did.

[Tupac Shakur]

Fifty-four forty or fight!

**** yeah!

[molly bloom]

Is that how the past tense works where you're from?

No.

He wasn't a Nazi sympathizer in 1921. He became 'friendlier' to the Germans when it suited his purposes later, though. He was what in another place would have been called a 'useful fool' for the Nazis.

[molly bloom]

Americans have the decency to know they were rat bastards at various points in history.

Which points did you have in mind ? I'm reasonably certain most Brits are aware there used to be a British Empire, and unpleasant things happened.

The Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny seem to be weasel words for the same kind of thing.

You don't find many if any supporters of Andrew Jackson in the US.

You mean now that he's dead, and the land's been cleared of those troublesome natives.

[molly bloom]

Also, we don't often give you grief over the Celts or the Scots or Britons or other various ethnic groups who were killed/assimilated in your home islands over the years.

You mean before there was even a British Empire ?

I can't really see Queen Anne, George III or Queen Victoria being responsible for what the Normans did in Scotland or Ireland or Wales, even less for what the Angles, Saxons and Jutes did in Roman Britain.

We just get more concerned when you go over seas.

And found colonies in North America ? Ah, I see.

[molly bloom]

Hey, I think its shameful, even more than you do. We're doing and have done terrible things. Americans aren't so nationalist that the vast majority of people are apologists for all our bad deeds.

Do you seriously think that the majority of Britons are 'apologists' for everything 'bad' that occurred during the various phases of the British Empire ?

Dream on.

[molly bloom]

OTOH the fact that the British appointed a man with fascist leanings to the highest position in the mandate held by any Palestinian native, albeit a position that was purley symbolic, says what about the British mandate government?

Was he a Fascist in 1921 ? I don't think so.

[Zevico]

Only according to Leon Uris.

I don't see what Leon Uris has to do with it. The Grand Mufti spent World War II in Berlin, calling for Arabs to side with the Nazis, fight the British and kill the Jews. That's well-documented historical fact. His wikipedia entry has pictures of him inspecting volunteer SS troops in 1943, for goodness sake.

[Dr Strangelove]

I don't see what Leon Uris has to do with it. The Grand Mufti spent World War II in Berlin, calling for Arabs to side with the Nazis, fight the British and kill the Jews. That's well-documented historical fact. His wikipedia entry has pictures of him inspecting volunteer SS troops in 1943, for goodness sake.

Yes, and the Irish Republic was rather cozy with the Nazis. Finland actually joined their side as did Estonian, Lithuanian, Latvian and Ukranian nationalists. Subah Chandras Bose also spent time in Nazis germany, then organized a small army to fight alongside of the Imperial Japanese Army. I believe some Egyptian and Iraqi officers had contacts with the Nazis. There were a number of colonial freedom fighters who saw the Axis as a possible source of help in their struggle to free themselves from their colonial occupiers because after all, no one else offered assistance.
These persons weren't the source of the problem. The real source was the WW1 British politicos who thought they could use the promise of a Jewish homeland to stir up trouble behind enemy lines and the general population of post-WW2 Europe who after liberation could not easily surrender the anti-semitic mentality fueled by their former Nazis masters.

[Dr Strangelove]

Was he a Fascist in 1921 ? I don't think so.

Anti- (Jewish) semitic might have been a better choice. It's apparent that there had not been much conflict between Jewish settlers and the Palestinians until the British arrived. I believe that's because while the natives saw the British as another occupying force the Jews welcomed them. The natives then naturally saw the Jews as linked with their new oppressors. There's also the fact that Jewish leaders presented to the British their plans for a new jewish state, one whose borders were remarkably similar to Israel's current borders.

[DinoDoc]

Andrew Jackson was an American hero.

[Felch]

No.

He wasn't a Nazi sympathizer in 1921. He became 'friendlier' to the Germans when it suited his purposes later, though. He was what in another place would have been called a 'useful fool' for the Nazis.

So since he doesn't fit your stereotype of the evil white man, Haj Amin al-Husseini was a "useful fool" instead of an international figure with his own beliefs, opinions, and agency.

[Egbert]

Yes.

Why is it so hard for Brits to admit their colonial adventures around the world were bad for the world. And when you press them it always comes down to; "We had to civilize those natives and it was completely out of our control!"

If the the Brits hadn't had "colonial adventures" there would be no such thing as the USA. You have thus persuaded me of the rightness of your argument.