Israel guilty of stealing Palestinian money because they were accepted into UNESCO

[Felch]

Yeah!

Most civilian casualties in this conflict are Jews.
Palestinians force Jews to live in ghettos
Earth is flat.
In this case, Oerdin is right.

How the hell do casualty rates have anything to do with relative merit? Japan suffered more civilian casualties than the United States did in WWII. Does that mean that America was at fault for Pearl Harbor? Japan lost their empire, and Americans still occupy Okinawa. Does that make Japan a victim?

What you seem to ignore is the exact point Oerdin was making. Palestinians were offered a fair deal, and they blew it off.

European hatred of Jews is so blatant and pervasive, it's no wonder we completely disregard your opinion on the Palestinian issue.

[Hauldren Collider]

It's also no wonder that the Jews decided to move to Israel.

[Asher]

I love blatant persecution complexes and the people who have their heads so far up their asses they can't recognize it.

Any time someone criticizes Israel (which is VERY MUCH warranted in many cases), the anti-Jew card comes trumping up again.

Maybe people hate Israel because of the things it does? You know, the things people are actually criticizing? No one is talking about them being Jewish. People are talking about the nation and its policies. Please learn to differentiate.

[Felch]

I love blatant persecution complexes and the people who have their heads so far up their asses they can't recognize it.

Any time someone criticizes Israel (which is VERY MUCH warranted in many cases), the anti-Jew card comes trumping up again.

Maybe people hate Israel because of the things it does? You know, the things people are actually criticizing? No one is talking about them being Jewish. People are talking about the nation and its policies. Please learn to differentiate.

Maybe people hate Israel because of the things it does, and maybe not. The way to test that is to see if they get worked up about non-Jewish states that do similar things. What are these things you refer to? Seizing assets? Precision airstrikes? Blockading the coast? It's called war, and it's a part of reality. Israel has just as much right to defend itself from Palestinian aggression as Canada had to defend from American aggression in 1812-1814. Until you express remorse for burning D.C., you're just another hypocrite.

[Asher]

You're honestly comparing Israel/Palestine to Canada/USA circa 1812?

This is why Israel can't have nice things.

[Felch]

What's different about it? Oh yeah, the United States was internationally recognized, and the victim of British aggression. The Palestinians are the bastard step-children of British foreign policy, and have instigated violence against Israel since the 1940s. You're right, it is absurd to compare the two.

[Aeson]

Felch, your analogy is horrific. In that case the Canadians (Tories/Loyalists) were actually the displaced (eg. Palestinians) and the US was the recently created nation (eg. Israel) encroaching on Canadian territory (eg. Settlements).

[Felch]

Fifty-four forty or fight!

[C0ckney]

European hatred of Jews is so blatant and pervasive, it's no wonder we completely disregard your opinion on the Palestinian issue.

european: israeli policy is bad and counter productive.

felch: how dare you, you anti-semite, don't you know that it's the palestinians that are at fault, not the sacred joooos! why don't you just go and build some gas chambers like your grandfather did.

ever wonder why the rest of the world has a different opinion to american on israel/palestine? or is it just more wilful american blindness.

[dannubis]

How the hell do casualty rates have anything to do with relative merit? Japan suffered more civilian casualties than the United States did in WWII. Does that mean that America was at fault for Pearl Harbor? Japan lost their empire, and Americans still occupy Okinawa. Does that make Japan a victim?

What you seem to ignore is the exact point Oerdin was making. Palestinians were offered a fair deal, and they blew it off.

European hatred of Jews is so blatant and pervasive, it's no wonder we completely disregard your opinion on the Palestinian issue.

1. Oerdin was saying the Palestinians wanted to kill all Jews. I presented my case that all evidence points to the oposite.
2. In your analogy the Palestinian battleships would be lying at the bottom of the harbor.
3. The Palestinians were never being offered a fair deal: they would still be prisoners without access to water sources conveniently cut off behind the "security fence". Other than that, they would still be second rate citizens.
4.

[Felch]

european: israeli policy is bad and counter productive.

felch: how dare you, you anti-semite, don't you know that it's the palestinians that are at fault, not the sacred joooos! why don't you just go and build some gas chambers like your grandfather did.

ever wonder why the rest of the world has a different opinion to american on israel/palestine? or is it just more wilful american blindness.

Do the Europeans ever consider the possibility that Palestinian policy is bad or counter productive?

1. Oerdin was saying the Palestinians wanted to kill all Jews. I presented my case that all evidence points to the oposite.
2. In your analogy the Palestinian battleships would be lying at the bottom of the harbor.
3. The Palestinians were never being offered a fair deal: they would still be prisoners without access to water sources conveniently cut off behind the "security fence". Other than that, they would still be second rate citizens.
4.

1) Palestinians have never shown any consideration for the civilian casualties they inflict on Israelis. Israel on the other hand has taken reasonable steps to minimize collateral damage. Considering that they fight an enemy that refuses to wear uniforms, that hides among civilians, and that lives in one of the most densely populated regions on the planet, I think they show remarkable restraint. Of course, being a holier-than-thou ****, you conveniently ignore reality when it contradicts your ZOG conspiracy theories.

2) You make no sense.

3) They were offered as good of a deal as they were going to get. Palestinian refusal to accept the Camp David proposal puts them firmly in the wrong.

4) Ignore it all you want, but Europeans have a long and well documented history of violence and hatred towards Jews. From the Russian pogroms and the Spanish Inquisition to the Dreyfus Affair, Europe has never shown anything but blatant racism and pathological evil. If you want to go on denying it, you should start posting here.

[Asher]

Felch, your post made me vomit a little in my mouth.

Palestinians and Israelis are both ****ing stubborn groups of idiots. There's no other explanation for this cluster****.

The only reasonable solution is to cut off all support for both sides from outside parties and let them duke it out. I'm tired of the whole debate. Neither side deserves victory.

[Felch]

That's fair. At least you're not acting like the Palestinians are heroes. My beef is with the one sided bull**** that places all the blame on Israel.

[C0ckney]

Do the Europeans ever consider the possibility that Palestinian policy is bad or counter productive?

yes.

do you ever consider that setting up strawmen is a poor way to make your point?

[Felch]

I consider it, but I never let it stop me.