Israel guilty of stealing Palestinian money because they were accepted into UNESCO

[dannubis]

The Europeans took a people who had never caused particular problems, the Jews, and went crazy medeival on their buttocks, driving them out of Europe.

For what it is worth, those "Europeans" were nazis and they were responsible of many more deaths than the 6-8 million victims of the holocaust. Many Europeans risked their lives to safe Jews in 38-45. My family included. And in my recolection, the US did turn away its fair number of refugee ships too.

For the rest, Felch is just trolling. HC is again too narrow minded to see that this conflict will not be solved by blindly supporting 1 side while clearly the other sides grievances must be heard as well.

[dannubis]

You and I may think they were reasonable but that doesn't mean they thought so. I'd like to hear from our Euro posters if they thought those terms were reasonable. I'd be interested to hear their opinions, especially if they thought they were unreasonable, what made them so.

I thought it was a fair basis to start negotiating from. However, nowhere in the entire plan it was guaranteed that the Palestinians would have a viable solution to their problem. As Felch said, it was thousands times better than what they had, but that just indicates how bad their situation really is.

[Felch]

For what it is worth, those "Europeans" were nazis

Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. From Vichy France to the eastern front, the Nazis had little trouble convincing locals to sell out their Jewish neighbors to the death camps. Hating Jews has always been popular in Europe.

[Fake Boris]

It was in the US, too.

[Felch]

We've gotten over it. Now we hate Muslims. When are y'all gonna get with the progrom?

[Dr Strangelove]

For what it is worth, those "Europeans" were nazis and they were responsible of many more deaths than the 6-8 million victims of the holocaust. Many Europeans risked their lives to safe Jews in 38-45. My family included. And in my recolection, the US did turn away its fair number of refugee ships too.

For the rest, Felch is just trolling. HC is again too narrow minded to see that this conflict will not be solved by blindly supporting 1 side while clearly the other sides grievances must be heard as well.

Europeans from every occupied nation willingly helped the Nazis round up their Jewish neighbors. The painful fact of the matter is that the collaborators outnumbered the resisters. Furthermore when the war was over Jews all over Europe returned to the same hostility they faced during the nazi occupation. Their land and property were often not returned, they were often chased out of their home villages. It's all quite well documented. For a large portion of the surviving Jewish population of Europe there was no where else for them to go but Israel.

[Dr Strangelove]

dr. strangelove and asher put it well very.

Oh, and by the way, that G.K. Chesterson guy in your sig is one of the Europeans who wrote about "The Jewish Problem" in Europe. Evidently ol' G.K. wasn't willing to try it either.

[C0ckney]

i don't see what your point is?

[molly bloom]

Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. From Vichy France to the eastern front, the Nazis had little trouble convincing locals to sell out their Jewish neighbors to the death camps. Hating Jews has always been popular in Europe.

Who was Leo Frank ?

How about Father Coughlin ?

The various Isolationist anti-semitic Mothers' unions and associations of pre-WWII America- full of anti semites.

Quite a few Europeans died to save Jews and fight Nazism- as did some non-Europeans:

Khan was a wartime British secret agent of Indian descent who was the first female radio operator sent into Nazi-occupied France by the Special Operations Executive (SOE). She was arrested and eventually executed by the Gestapo.

Noor Inayat Khan was born on New Year's Day 1914 in Moscow to an Indian father and an American mother. She was a direct descendant of Tipu Sultan, the 18th century Muslim ruler of Mysore. Khan's father was a musician and Sufi teacher. He moved his family first to London and then to Paris, where Khan was educated and later worked writing childrens' stories. Khan escaped to England after the fall of France and in November 1940 she joined the WAAF (Women's Auxiliary Air Force). In late 1942, she was recruited to join SOE as a radio operator. Although some of those who trained her were unsure about her suitability, in June 1943 she was flown to France to become the radio operator for the 'Prosper' resistance network in Paris, with the codename 'Madeleine'. Many members of the network were arrested shortly afterwards but she chose to remain in France and spent the summer moving from place to place, trying to send messages back to London while avoiding capture.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/inayat_khan_noor.shtml

[Asher]

Quite a few Europeans died to save Jews and fight Nazism- as did some non-Europeans:

I just wanted to emphasize what a profound statement this was. Both Europeans and non-Europeans died fighting Nazism.

[Dr Strangelove]

Not to mention the Nazis who died fighting Europeans and non-Europeans, then there were the Europeans who died fighting Nazis and non-Europeans, and finally non-Europeans who died fighting Europeans and Nazis. It was a regular festival of death.

[Dr Strangelove]

i don't see what your point is?

Even people we think of as being "nice" were guilty of contributing to the atmosphere in which 6 million Jews were executed for no reason at all.

[C0ckney]

Even people we think of as being "nice" were guilty of contributing to the atmosphere in which 6 million Jews were executed for no reason at all.

have you read 'the new jerusalem'? i presume that you're referring to that. it's where he says that jewish culture is incompatible with european societies. i can see why people would have a problem with such a view, and indeed many people criticised him at the time for it.

however to say that he contributed to the atmosphere of anti-semitism is unfair in my opinion. i don't think he was an anti-semite and if you read what he wrote, i think it's difficult to come to the conclusion that he was. he didn't say that jewish people were the problem (and there's a big difference between saying the culture is incompatible and saying the people are the problem) and the solution he proposed was to give the jewish people a homeland in palestine. he was very popular with zionists who shared his desire for the creation of israel. he condemned hitler, his methods and his rhetoric, right from the outset.

[molly bloom]

I just wanted to emphasize what a profound statement this was. Both Europeans and non-Europeans died fighting Nazism.

Thanks.

I'm sure you're sincerely thinking of the troops from the British Caribbean islands, the members of the R.A.F.'s Trinidad and Jamaica Squadrons, and the colonial troops of the Free French, who came from West and North Africa and helped liberate France.

But if you weren't and were just trying to be a smart arse, I couldn't give a gnat's fart.

Phillip Louis Ulric Cross, DFC, DSO World War II Royal Air Force Squadron Leader (139 “Jamaica Squadron”) Excerpt of April 2008 interview of by Gabriel J. Christian – For King & Country (Irving Andre & Gabriel Christian) After high school [at St. Mary’s Port of Spain], I worked for a while with the [Trinidad] government on the railroad. But by 1941, Britain stood alone. Dunkirk had been a defeat for Britain and Hitler had conquered all of Europe. The world was drowning in fascism and America was not yet in the war, so I decided to do something about it and volunteered to fight in the RAF. We took the ship Strathall for twelve days days, straight to Greenock. A lorry awaited us and took us straight into the uniform of the RAF and training. So from November 1941 to November 1942, I trained at Cranwell on the wireless, did meteorology, bomb aiming, navigation and Morse code. I graduated as a Pilot Officer and was assigned to Bomber Command I served as a navigator in the Pathfinder section of 139 squadron; the famous “Jamaica Squadron” of the RAF. The pathfinders led the way on bombing raids and marked the target; a most dangerous task. Our unit flew the famous Mosquito bomber, which was made mainly of wood. Jamaica had paid for many of the planes of 139 squadron, hence the name. There was also a Trinidad Squadron, where Trinidad had paid for those planes. I was the only West Indian on my squadron.

http://www.caribbeanaircrew-ww2.com/?tag=sl&paged=2

[molly bloom]

Oh, and by the way, that G.K. Chesterson guy in your sig is one of the Europeans who wrote about "The Jewish Problem" in Europe. Evidently ol' G.K. wasn't willing to try it either.

I'll see your G.K. Chesterton and raise you T.S. Eliot and Ezra Pound.