Israel guilty of stealing Palestinian money because they were accepted into UNESCO

[dannubis]

Do the Europeans ever consider the possibility that Palestinian policy is bad or counter productive?



1) Palestinians have never shown any consideration for the civilian casualties they inflict on Israelis. Israel on the other hand has taken reasonable steps to minimize collateral damage. Considering that they fight an enemy that refuses to wear uniforms, that hides among civilians, and that lives in one of the most densely populated regions on the planet, I think they show remarkable restraint. Of course, being a holier-than-thou ****, you conveniently ignore reality when it contradicts your ZOG conspiracy theories.

2) You make no sense.

3) They were offered as good of a deal as they were going to get. Palestinian refusal to accept the Camp David proposal puts them firmly in the wrong.

4) Ignore it all you want, but Europeans have a long and well documented history of violence and hatred towards Jews. From the Russian pogroms and the Spanish Inquisition to the Dreyfus Affair, Europe has never shown anything but blatant racism and pathological evil. If you want to go on denying it, you should start posting here.

1) Where did I say that Palestinian terrorists are "good" guys? All I do is count the number of dead people. And in this department Israel wins. That is a fact for which I don't need to be holier than thou.

2) Reading comprehension and logical thinking are negatively impacted by weed consumption - FACT.

3) So say you.

4) Come back and "be holier than thou" when you have closed Gitmo, Dick.

[dannubis]

That's fair. At least you're not acting like the Palestinians are heroes. My beef is with the one sided bull**** that places all the blame on Israel.

I don't place blame Yank. I just observe and count dead people.

Actually I am with Asher on this one. Let them sort it out amongst themselves and when they are sick and tired of killing each other they can come back and talk to the civilized people.

[Felch]

You presented body counts as proof of intentions. A better measure would be methods. Given that Palestinian methods are geared towards maximizing civilian suffering, the fact that they've killed so few people only shows the efficacy of Israeli security methods and medical technology.

You brought up some Palestinian battleships, which has nothing to do with my analogy. Go back, read what I wrote, and respond with something less retarded.

If one side is willing to accept peace terms, and the other side rejects them, the side that rejected the peace terms is responsible for the war.

Camp X-Ray is an example of the extreme lenity and decency of America. Taliban don't qualify as lawful combatants. They don't obey the laws and customs of war, they don't have a chain of command, they don't wear uniforms, and they don't bear arms openly. They are war criminals.

It's no surprise to me that you support war criminals, just as much as you hate Jews. Europe never changes.

[rah]

If one side is willing to accept peace terms, and the other side rejects them, the side that rejected the peace terms is responsible for the war.

While normally I'd agree with that, it really depends on the terms. If I keep rejecting unreasonable terms, it doesn't make me responsible for the war. So the real question here is, were the terms reasonable.

And yes, it's very possible that one side thinks they're reasonable while the other side does not. Just because you think they're reasonable does not automatically make them so.

[Felch]

The terms were pretty damn reasonable, given that the Palestinians alternative was to wither away in squalid camps. Yasser Arafat just didn't want to go out like Michael Collins. If Arafat had Collins' courage, the Palestinians could be well on their way to a peaceful and prosperous future. Instead he sold out the lives of the young to pay for the pride of the old.

[rah]

You and I may think they were reasonable but that doesn't mean they thought so. I'd like to hear from our Euro posters if they thought those terms were reasonable. I'd be interested to hear their opinions, especially if they thought they were unreasonable, what made them so.

[Hauldren Collider]

Yasir Arafat did more than sell out the young kids for the pride of the old, he literally had bombs strapped to them so they could go out and kill Israeli schoolchildren. Arafat was a despicable, vile human being.

[C0ckney]

Camp X-Ray is an example of the extreme lenity and decency of America. Taliban don't qualify as lawful combatants. They don't obey the laws and customs of war, they don't have a chain of command, they don't wear uniforms, and they don't bear arms openly. They are war criminals.

It's no surprise to me that you support war criminals, just as much as you hate Jews. Europe never changes.

i'm pretty sure you're trolling but it made me laugh nonetheless.

"we invaded their country and now these damn afghans just won't fight according to the 'rules of war'. it's not fair dammit!"

[C0ckney]

also whether you think the camp david accords were reasonable or not (i think they were in many respects, but not so much in others), is not the be all and end of the israel/palestine issue. it's bull**** to attempt to make it as such. the fact is, the accords were rejected by the palestinian leadership, but the rejection of one peace cannot be an excuse to end the search for peace. to respond to every israeli provocation by saying "well, ya know, the pals did reject the camp david accords" is not a credible position.

[Hauldren Collider]

Cockney, if the Palestinians repeatedly refuse extroardinarily fair deals or even deals that are unfair in their favor, it is totally reasonable to blame the Palestinians for the stalled peace process.

[Asher]

Cockney, if the Palestinians repeatedly refuse extroardinarily fair deals or even deals

I'm sure they took it under advisement that a half-Jewish freshman in Virginia thought the deals were extraordinarily fair.

Is it really absurd to think they have a VERY different perspective on what is fair than you would?

[Dr Strangelove]

In what manner have the Palestinians ever been offered a fair deal? It was their land, the Brits took control of it with the thin excuse of helping to develop it for the natives. During their 25 + year stay they assiduously avoided doing anything remotely resembling preparing the natives for self-rule. The Europeans took a people who had never caused particular problems, the Jews, and went crazy medeival on their buttocks, driving them out of Europe. The European dominated UN then gave 55% of Palestinian land to the Jews to create Israel. The Palestinian's neighbors then half-heartedly attempted to dislodge the Jews, resulting in the Israelis gaining another 20% of the land. For 20 years those neighbors "graciously" permitted the Palestinians to continue living on the remaining 20% all the while keeping them utterly repressed. In 1968 the Jews attack and grab the remaining 25%. Seriously, where is the room for a fair deal here?

[Asher]

[C0ckney]

Cockney, if the Palestinians repeatedly refuse extroardinarily fair deals or even deals that are unfair in their favor, it is totally reasonable to blame the Palestinians for the stalled peace process.

dr. strangelove and asher put it well very.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Seriously, where is the room for a fair deal here?

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