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Originally posted by loinburger View PostNot if you go with a Many Worlds interpretation of chaos. You travel from Present A to Future A, but then when you return to Present A you turn it into Present A1 which will lead to Future A1. Whether Future A then ceases to exist is another matter altogether.
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris View PostBTW, it is pretty clear that belief in a unique and omnipotent deity requires pure determinism to be consistent. Anything else is an untenable and dishonest intellectual contorsion.
edit: What if you believe God is omnipotent?Last edited by Kidlicious; November 30, 2011, 19:33.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostWhy should you be consistent in your beliefs about the supernatural? A God that can create the laws must be greater than the laws.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostNo, the actors make them after they're born. You just know what those choices are.
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris View PostBTW, it is pretty clear that belief in a unique and omnipotent deity requires pure determinism to be consistent. Anything else is an untenable and dishonest intellectual contorsion.
You have obviously not thought much about causation and time.
JMJon Miller-
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Aeson View PostYou can only know what those choices are if they are predetermined. If there was free will you'd go back and people would chose very different things meaning you weren't in the future for that timeline at all.
What does 'going back in time' mean?
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris View PostThis is the classical "third man" problem human reason cannot get out of. Its persistence is not a warrant for mindless bull****, though.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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A natural conclusion, btw, is that God has already made all the best decisions, and so God does not change (no longer has 'free will' if you will, there was just the 'initial' will).
This has nothing to do with our free will.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostDefine mindless bull****. If you accept the claim that God is beyond the laws then you have to have faith in something beyond the laws or else be a materialist.
1) there is no restriction on what can be said about him
2) we have no faculty to distinguish natural and supernatural eventsIn Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris View PostI actually have.
Not that you are wrong, but that it isn't clear at all.
I know you are a philosopher, what is your excuse?
JonJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostA natural conclusion, btw, is that God has already made all the best decisions, and so God does not change (no longer has 'free will' if you will, there was just the 'initial' will).
This has nothing to do with our free will.
JM
I believe that what you just expressed is a thesis that can be consistent, however not with omnipotence.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.
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