Canadian Hate Laws on Trial

[Asher]

Yeah, the second one has money involved.

Seriously though, it's free speech. We've been through this. We don't want the government deciding what we can and can't hear.

Yes, you do. You've already decided there are limits to free speech, and your government enforces them.

This is no different. It's not legal to spread lies and incite violence against people, particularly against minority groups. Just as it's not legal to shout fire in a crowded theatre, just as it's not legal to slander someone, etc.

[Asher]

How is calling someone a sinful queer harming personal safety? Are you really that thin-skinned that you can't take a verbal hit from an ignorant buffoon?

Again, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

The man in question spreads propaganda that gays are pedophiles and after your children, particularly to mentally ill people who may just believe him.

This is more than saying you are a "sinful queer".

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh, so instead of calling me a sinful queer, he called me a sinful ***! Dude, toughen up.

[Asher]

Oh, so instead of calling me a sinful queer, he called me a sinful ***! Dude, toughen up.

Do you seriously not comprehend the difference? Do you seriously not understand the power of propaganda and how infantile the mind of the average person is? Look at how many people are religious. There's lunacy everywhere. This man preys on that.

This isn't a guy who went around calling everyone "***". Do your research before continuing.

[giblets]

Oh, so instead of calling me a sinful queer, he called me a sinful ***! Dude, toughen up.

Do you understand that people often feel the urge to harm pedophiles who prey on children...?

edit: Okay, think of it this way: if a mentally unstable person is incited to murder a homosexual, a life insurance company might lose some of its profits.

[Asher]

Uncomfortable fact for HC: Bill Whatcott was arrested in the US while practicing his free speech too. Your country isn't as plainly simple as you think it is.

[Elok]

The man in question spreads propaganda that gays are pedophiles and after your children, particularly to mentally ill people who may just believe him.

I don't see anything in the article about him targeting the mentally ill. Does he go into asylums, or what?

[Asher]

Here's what some of his flyers read that he distributed near schools:

Our children, will pay the price in disease, death, abuse and ultimately eternal judgement if we do not say no to the sodmoite desire to socialize your children into accepting something that is clearly wrong. Sodomites are 430 times more likely to acquire AIDS and three times more likely to sexually abuse children. This is sexual politics of the perverted type...now the homosexuals want to share their filth and propaganda with Saskatchewan’s children.

The Bible is clear that homosexuality is an abomination. ‘ Be not deceived neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sodomites will inherit the kingdom of heaven’ 1 Cor 6:9. . . .

. . . Our acceptance of homosexuality and our toleration of its promotion in our school system will lead to the early death and morbidity of many children. . .

[Asher]

I don't see anything in the article about him targeting the mentally ill. Does he go into asylums, or what?

He focused his efforts on Saskatchewan and Edmonton. 'nuff said, really.

[Elok]

Okay, any actual evidence?

[Asher]

For the legal inclined, this is the court finding: http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlig...07skqb450.html

[Asher]

Okay, any actual evidence?

What more evidence do you need aside from his pandering to Christians in Saskatchewan?

[Asher]

This is the section of the code he was found to be in violation of. As you can see, HC's characterization of the man simply calling people icky fags is wildly offbase;

14(1) No person shall publish or display, or cause or permit to be published or displayed, on any lands or premises or in a newspaper, through a television or radio broadcasting station or any other broadcasting device, or in any printed matter or publication or by means of any other medium that the person owns, controls, distributes or sells, any representation, including any notice, sign, symbol, emblem, article, statement or other representation:

(a) tending or likely to tend to deprive, abridge or otherwise restrict the enjoyment by any person or class of persons, on the basis of a prohibited ground, of any right to which that person or class of persons is entitled under law; or

(b) that exposes or tends to expose to hatred, ridicules, belittles or otherwise affronts the dignity of any person or class of persons on the basis of a prohibited ground.

(2) Nothing in subsection (1) restricts the right to freedom of expression under the law upon any subject.

[Elok]

Uh, I'm Christian. I think he sounds like a slobbering loon who should be ignored, or at most punished for disturbing the peace when he does something really obnoxious.

[Elok]

And the bit of law you just quoted sounds very similar to those ludicrous laws passed against online bullying, with the exception that it's not impossible to enforce. No "affronting people's dignity," huh?