Islam a religion of peace.

[Docfeelgood]

The literal style of the Old Testament is a completely different one then the style of the Quran.
In the Quran the text is setup as if the reader is being adressed directly, without a context.
The Old Testament styles are more about someone telling a tale about in some context something happened.

It's quite a difference if you read: "Go out and kill all people" or "And God told Moses to go out there and kill all Egyptians who are chasing you"

While both may both be equally violent, the first one is far more easier to be interpertated as a personal order to one of the current readers, while the 2nd one is harder to be understood that way.

Bottom line is that the Quran suffers from this style, b/c in it's context and time Muhammed isn't that evil at all. He's actually more noble then other military leaders of his time. But b/c of the literal style of the Quran, the context is completely lost. And therefore Muslims are far more eager to use violence.

History teaches that christians who have used violence often can be described as being not very christian in their daily life, but just using religion as a tool to achieve their own selfish goals. There aren't many examples of very devoted christians who used the sword. Mostly it's about powerhungry kings. (a bit in the style of Saddam Hussain and Khadaffi, for example, who also abused Islam for their own crazy reasons).

People like OBL, in example, or Ahmedinejad, actually are/were devoted muslims though who are as as matter of fact orthodox muslims.

The main difference of course between Christianity and Islam is that Muhammed was a religious, military AND political leader. And Muslims must live like him. Jesus was just only a religious leader who clearly opposed violence and clearly stated that the his followers should listen to the laws of the emperor.

That's the key difference.
That doesn't mean that any christian can't be as violent as any muslim.
But the nature of the religions are completely different. Jews are a bit in between the both of them.

[Zevico]

According to a Jewish professor at a Tel Aviv university.

This is what it comes down to. A Jew said it--how can it be true? This is what passes for reasoned analysis here.

[kentonio]

The literal style of the Old Testament is a completely different one then the style of the Quran.
In the Quran the text is setup as if the reader is being adressed directly, without a context.
The Old Testament styles are more about someone telling a tale about in some context something happened.

It's quite a difference if you read: "Go out and kill all people" or "And God told Moses to go out there and kill all Egyptians who are chasing you"

While both may both be equally violent, the first one is far more easier to be interpertated as a personal order to one of the current readers, while the 2nd one is harder to be understood that way.

Bottom line is that the Quran suffers from this style, b/c in it's context and time Muhammed isn't that evil at all. He's actually more noble then other military leaders of his time. But b/c of the literal style of the Quran, the context is completely lost. And therefore Muslims are far more eager to use violence.

History teaches that christians who have used violence often can be described as being not very christian in their daily life, but just using religion as a tool to achieve their own selfish goals. There aren't many examples of very devoted christians who used the sword. Mostly it's about powerhungry kings. (a bit in the style of Saddam Hussain and Khadaffi, for example, who also abused Islam for their own crazy reasons).

People like OBL, in example, or Ahmedinejad, actually are/were devoted muslims though who are as as matter of fact orthodox muslims.

The main difference of course between Christianity and Islam is that Muhammed was a religious, military AND political leader. And Muslims must live like him. Jesus was just only a religious leader who clearly opposed violence and clearly stated that the his followers should listen to the laws of the emperor.

That's the key difference.
That doesn't mean that any christian can't be as violent as any muslim.
But the nature of the religions are completely different. Jews are a bit in between the both of them.

Yet we have two millenia of experience of Christians being at least as violent as Muslims.

[Jon Miller]

How many major pacifistic islamic movements exist?

Just wondering, I know of many Christian ones (and Eastern ones).

JM

[Al B. Sure!]

Plomp, there was no "Kill the Egyptians who are chasing you" in the Bible. There's a whole lot of go to these peoples' lands and slaughter them, though.

And Sufism, Jon.

[dannubis]

Generalizations save time. They eliminate the necessity of getting to know people before judging them!

Well, i guess we finally can agree that in this case you know what you are talking about.

[Asher]

This is what it comes down to. A Jew said it--how can it be true? This is what passes for reasoned analysis here.

Are you familiar with the concept of bias?

I can officially conclude homosexual Canadian computer scientists are the most intelligent people in the world, for what it's worth.

[Robert]

Yet we have two millenia of experience of Christians being at least as violent as Muslims.

Christian violence is despite what Jesus said.
Muslim violence is in line with what Muhammed did.

Having said that, christians are not better then muslims.
But that's not my point. Humans are evil anyway

[Robert]

Plomp, there was no "Kill the Egyptians who are chasing you" in the Bible. There's a whole lot of go to these peoples' lands and slaughter them, though.

How does that go against what I have said?
I am not trying to make the point that there is no violence in the Old Testament.

[Ben Kenobi]

UBC is also where Ben got most of his education, FWIW. She currently teaches some kind of arts program at a no-name technical college as well? Winner.

So UBC is bad because I attended there? She's went to the Law school there. I don't know much about the law faculty. If it were history, I'd know more, but it's been some time since I was there last.

[Kidlicious]

It's not about what someone else did. It's about what you do. Do you love 6od or not?

[The Mad Monk]

Jewish religious terrorism

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Jewish religious terrorism is a type of religious terrorism committed by extremists of Judaism.^[1][2]
[edit] Terminology

Some researches on ethnic terrorism distinguish between ethnic terrorism and religious terrorism, but admit that the distinction between these forms of terrorism is often blurred in practice. Daniel Bymen, in his study on "The Logic of ethnic terrorism", argues that Jews operate far more as an ethnic group than as a community motivated by and organized according to religious doctrine. The author sees Jewish underground groups Irgun and Lehi as good examples of Jewish terrorism based on ethnic grounds.^[3][4]
[edit] History

[edit] Zealotry in the 1st century

Main article: Zealotry in Jewish history
According to Mark Burgess, the 1st century Jewish political and religious movement called Zealotry was one of the first examples of the use of terrorism by Jews.^[5] They sought to incite the people of Iudaea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the Holy land by force of arms. The term Zealot, in Hebrew kanai, means one who is zealous on behalf of God.^[6][7] The most extremist groups of Zealots were called Sicarii.^[5] Sicarii used violent stealth tactics against Romans. Under their cloaks they concealed sicae, or small daggers, from which they received their name. At popular assemblies, particularly during the pilgrimage to the Temple Mount, they stabbed their enemies (Romans or Roman sympathizers, Herodians), lamenting ostentatiously after the deed to blend into the crowd to escape detection. In one account, given in the Talmud, Sicarii destroyed the city's food supply so that the people would be forced to fight against the Roman siege instead of negotiating peace. Sicarii also raided Jewish habitations and killed fellow Jews whom they considered apostate and collaborators.
[edit] After the creation of Israel

According to a study by the political scientist Noemi Gal-Or shows that since the creation of Israel, Jewish terrorism has been assessed as "far less significant" than Arab terrorism.^[8] It lasted a few years during the 1950s and was directed at internal Israel-Jewish targets, not at the Israeli Arab population.^[8] There was then a long intermission until the 1980s, when the Jewish Underground was exposed.^[8]
It has been suggested that a striking similarity between the Jewish groups, and jihad networks in Western democracies is their alienation and isolation from the values of the majority, mainstream culture, which they view as an existential threat to their own community. Other similarities between these groups are that their terrorist ideology is not exclusively religious, as it attempts to achieve political, territorial and nationalistic goals as well, e.g. the disruption of the Camp David accords. However, the newer of these Jewish groups have tended to emphasise religious motives for their actions at the expense of secular ones. In the case of Jewish terrorism most networks consist of religious Zionists and ultra-orthodox Jews living in isolated, homogenous communities.^[9]
The following groups have been considered religious terrorist organizations in Israel:

• Brit HaKanaim (1950–53): an organization operating in Israel from 1950 to 1953 with the objective of imposing Jewish religious law in the country and establishing a Halakhic state.^[2]:33-36

• Gush Emunim Underground (1979–84): formed by members of the Israeli political movement Gush Emunim.^[10] This group is most well-known for two actions. Firstly, for bomb attacks on the mayors of West Bank cities on June 2nd 1980, and secondly, an abandoned plot to blow up the Temple Mount mosques. The Israeli Judge Zvi Cohen, heading the sentencing panel at the group’s trial, stated that they had three motives, ‘not necessarily shared by all the defendants. The first motive, at the heart of the Temple Mount conspiracy, is religious.’ ^[11]

• Keshet (Kvutza Shelo Titpasher) (1981–1989): A Tel Aviv anti-Zionist haredi group focused on bombing property without loss of life.^[12][13]:101 Yigal Marcus, Tel Aviv District Police commander, said that he considered the group a gang of criminals, not a terrorist group.^[14]

• The "Bat Ayin Underground" or Bat Ayin group. In 2002, four people from Bat Ayin and Hebron were arrested outside of Abu Tor School, a Palestinian girls' school in East Jerusalem, with a trailer filled with explosives. Three of the men were convicted for the attempted bombing.^{[15][16][17][18][19][20][21]}

• Brit HaKanaim (Hebrew: בְּרִית הַקַנַאִים, lit. Covenant of the Zealots) was a radical religious Jewish underground organisation which operated in Israel between 1950 and 1953, against the widespread trend of secularisation in the country. The ultimate goal of the movement was to impose Jewish religious law in the State of Israel and establish a Halakhic state.^[22]

• The Kingdom of Israel group (Hebrew: מלכות ישראל, Malchut Yisrael), or Tzrifin Underground, were active in Israel in the 1950s. The group carried out attacks on the diplomatic facilities of the USSR and Czechoslovakia and occasionally shot at Jordanian troops stationed along the border in Jerusalem. Members of the group caught trying to bomb the Israeli Ministry of Education in May 1953, have been described as acting because of the secularisation of Jewish North African immigrants which they saw as 'a direct assault on the religious Jews' way of life and as an existential threat to the ultra-Orthodox community in Israel.'^[23]

[edit] Individuals

A number of violent acts by Jews have been described as terrorism and attributed to religious motivations:

• Yaakov Teitel an American-born Israeli, was arrested in the aftermath of the 2009 Tel Aviv gay center shooting for putting up posters that praised the attack. Although Teitel confessed to the gay center shooting, Israeli police have determined he had no part in the attack.^[24] In 2009 Teitel was arrested and indicted for several acts of domestic terror, namely a pipe bomb attack against leftist intellectual Zeev Sternhell, the murders of a Palestinian taxi driver and a West Bank shepherd in 1997, and sending a booby-trapped package to the home of a Messianic Jewish family in Ariel.^[25][26][27] A search of his home revealed a cache of guns and parts used in explosive devices.^[28] As of January 2011, the case is still pending trial.^[29]
• Eden Natan-Zada killed four Israeli Arab civilians on August 4, 2005. His actions were criticized by then prime minister Ariel Sharon, as "a reprehensible act by a bloodthirsty Jewish terrorist", and author Ami Pedhzer describes his motivations as religious.^[2]:134[30]
• Baruch Goldstein an American-born Israeli physician, perpetrated the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in the city of Hebron, in which he shot and killed 29 Muslim worshipers inside the Ibrahimi Mosque (within the Cave of the Patriarchs), and wounded another 125 victims.^[31] Goldstein was killed by the survivors.^[32] Goldstein was a supporter of Kach, an Israeli political party founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane that advocated the expulsion of Arabs from Israel and the Palestinian Territories. In the aftermath of the Goldstein attack and Kach statements praising it, Kach was outlawed in Israel.^[33]
• Yigal Amir's assassination of Yitzhak Rabin on November 4, 1995 has been described as terrorism with a religious motivation.^{[2]:98-110[34][35]} Amir was quoted as saying he had "acted alone and on orders from God." and that "If not for a Halakhic ruling of din rodef, made against Rabin by a few rabbis I knew about, it would have been very difficult for me to murder."^[13][36]:45 A former combat soldier who had studied Jewish law, Amir stated that his decision to kill the prime minister was influenced by the opinions of militant rabbis that such an assassination would be justified by the Halakhic ruling of din rodef ("pursuer's decree").^[36]:48 This concept allows for an immediate execution of a person if it saves Jewish life, although the characterization of Rabin as din rodef was rejected as a perversion of law by most rabbinic authorities.^[13]:255 According to Amir, allowing the Palestinian Authority to expand on the West Bank represented such a danger.^[36]:48Amir was associated with the radical Eyal movement, which had been greatly influenced by Kahanism.^[36]:53

[edit] See also

• Christian terrorism
• Islamic terrorism
• Judaism and violence
• Religious terrorism
• Religious violence
• Sikh extremism
• Zionist political violence

[edit] Footnotes

• ^ "Explaining Part 1: The Axis of Good and Evil." Section "Terrorism Across Religions." by Mark Burgess. Agentura.ru.
• ^ ^{a b c d} Pedahzur, Ami; Perliger, Arie (2009). Jewish terrorism in Israel. Columbia University Press. p. 196. ISBN 978-02-31-154468. "Our Jewish terrorism dataset consists of a list of terror incidents perpetrated by Jewish terrorists in Israel."
• ^ "The Logic of Terrorism" by Daniel Bymen. 1997. Pages 151, 155 and 157.
• ^ "Global terrorism" by James M. Lutz, Brenda J. Lutz. Walter. Page 127.]
• ^ ^{a b} Burgess, Mark. "A Brief History of Terrorism".
• ^ Zealot, Online Etymology Dictionary
• ^ Zelotes, Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, "A Greek-English Lexicon", at Perseus
• ^ ^{a b c} Gal-or, Noemi (Editor). Tolerating Terrorism in the West: An International Survey. Routledge, 2004. ISBN 978-0-415-02441-9. p.61-62
• ^ [1], [Terrorism, Identity, and Legitimacy: The Four Waves Theory and Political Violence: Ed Jean Rosenfeld: Comparison of Jewish and other manifestations of religious terrorism: Ami Pedahzer and Arie Perliger: Pg 105-107]
• ^ For The Land and The Lord: The Evolution of Gush Emunim, by Ian S. Lustick
• ^ Ami Pedahzur, and Arie Perliger (2009). “Jewish Terrorism in Israel.Ch 3”, Columbia University Press, (2009)
• ^ Radical Orthodox Group Terrorizes Secular Israelis. Pittsburgh Press Feb 25, 1989
• ^ ^{a b c} Brother against brother: violence and extremism in Israeli politics Ehud Sprinzak, pg. 277
• ^ Critical essays on Israeli society, politics, and culture By Ian Lustick, Barry M. Rubin, Association for Israel Studies, p.71
• ^ [2], [Terrorism, Identity, and Legitimacy: The Four Waves Theory and Political Violence: Ed Jean Rosenfeld: Comparison of Jewish and other manifestations of religious terrorism: Ami Pedahzer and Arie Perliger: Pg 106]
• ^ [ http://www.haaretz.com/news/supreme-...round-1.206876], [Haaretz.com: Supreme Court rejects appeal of the 'Bat Ayin Underground': Yuval Yoaz ]
• ^ [ http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/...t.php?eid=2312], [Jewish terrorist group (Bat Ayin) attempts to blow up girls school in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of A-Tur: Palestine: Information with Provenance]
• ^ [ http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...rison-1.101613], [Haaretz.com: Bat Ayin terror cell members get 12 to 15 years in prison: Sun, August 07, 2011: Jonathan Lis]
• ^ [ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...view/2_hi.html], Israel’s Next War: CHAPTER TWO: A Plot That Shocked All of Israel: Members of a terror cell in the settlement of Bat Ayin are caught trying to bomb a girls' school in East Jerusalem at the busiest time in the morning
• ^ [ http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Featur...e.aspx?id=3702], [Acts of Jewish terrorism since 1949: 11/03/2005: Matthew Gutman]
• ^ [3], [Jewish Terrorism in Israel: Monday January 11, 2010: Palestine Center Book Review No 1 : 11 January 2010: "Jewish Terrorism in Israel" written by Ami Pedahzur and Arie Perliger Hardcover: 264 pages, Columbia University Press November 9, 2009:]
• ^ Pedahzur, Ami, and Arie Perliger (2009). “Jewish Terrorism in Israel.pg 33-37”, Columbia University Press, (2009)
• ^ Pedahzur, Ami, and Arie Perliger (2009). “Jewish Terrorism in Israel.pg 31-33”, Columbia University Press, (2009)
• ^ James, Randy (3 November 2009). "Accused Jewish Terrorist Jack Teitel". Time. http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...934103,00.html. Retrieved 2009-11-03.
• ^ Weiss, Mark (2 November 2009). "Israeli police arrest West Bank settler over Palestinian killings". The Irish Times. Retrieved 2009-11-02.
• ^ Mitchell, Chris (6 November 2009). "Suspect Arrest Announced in Ami Ortiz Case". CBN News. Retrieved 2009-11-30.
• ^ Levinson, Chaim (1 November 2009). "Who is suspected Jewish terrorist Yaakov Teitel?". Haaretz. Retrieved 2009-11-02.
• ^
  • "Settler suspected of multiple hate crimes". Ynetnews. 1 November 2009. Retrieved 2009-11-02.
  • [4] (in Hebrew)
• ^ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...017400,00.html
• ^ [5] Washington Post, 5 August 2005
• ^ Harvey W. Kushner. Encyclopedia of Terrorism, SAGE Publications, 2003, ISBN 9780761924081, p. 150.
• ^ 1994: Jewish settler kills 30 at holy site BBC On This Day
• ^ In the Spotlight: Kach and Kahane Chai Center for Defense Information October 1, 2002
• ^ Stern, Jessica (2004). Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill. HarperCollins. p. 91. ISBN 0060505338,.
• ^
  • Mahan, Sue; Griset, Pamala, Terrorism in Perspective, SAGE, 2007, pp 137, 138
  • Mickolus, Edward, The terrorist list: A-K, ABC-CLIO, 2009, p 66
  • Hoffman, Bruce Inside Terrorism 1998 pg. 88
• ^ ^{a b c d} Mark Juergensmeyer. Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence. University of California Press. ISBN 0520240111.

[edit] References

• Juergensmeyer, Mark, Terror in the mind of God: the global rise of religious violence, University of California Press, 2003
• Pedahzur, Ami; Perliger, Arie, Jewish terrorism in Israel, Columbia University Press, 2009
• Sprinzak, Ehud, Brother against brother: violence and extremism in Israeli politics from Altalena to the Rabin assassination, Simon and Schuster, 1999
• Stern, Jessica, Terror in the name of God: why religious militants kill, HarperCollins, 2003

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Interesting.

[kentonio]

How does that go against what I have said?
I am not trying to make the point that there is no violence in the Old Testament.

Trying to make the argument that Muhammed was violent and Jesus wasn't (thus muslims are following their faith and christians are not when they are violent) might hold more water if the Old Testament had been discarded like it should have been, and the crazy **** in the New Testament also hadn't made the cut.

[DaShi]

Not to mention that Jesus singlehandedly and violently setback the progress of capitalism.

[Kidlicious]

Not to mention that Jesus singlehandedly and violently setback the progress of capitalism.

Hardly, christians work harder, save moreand aremore honest.