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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
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Don't be an idiot - that was exactly what you did. MrFun didn't say anything about islam, so you didn't ask a rhetorical question, you made a stupid claim.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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AFAICT, BK's "Islam is polytheist?" question was meant to imply (in response to MrFun's post about polytheists being there before Xians) that Christianity was there before Islam and therefore gets the claim until such time as any lingering followers of Zeus step up to ask for it. I *think* that's what he meant--it's the reading I settled on after a couple of seconds of head-scratching. As usual, it's poorly phrased and not relevant. But I guess he could mean something else entirely.Comment
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Well if we replace before with after, his comment could maybe make some sense, but why would a reasonably intelligent person do such ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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For those who lack the imagination to be able to think up definition of "Christian" that would encompass JWs and Mormons, but not Muslims... I will get you started:
1. Christians - those who identify themselves as "Christian"
2. Christians - those who belong to an organization which defines itself as "Christian"
3. Christians - those who believe Jesus was Christ, but don't believe Mohammed was God's prophet.
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**** ISLAM
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Exactly! Someone gets it.BK's "Islam is polytheist?" question was meant to imply (in response to MrFun's post about polytheists being there before Xians) that Christianity was there before Islam and therefore gets the claim until such time as any lingering followers of Zeus step up to ask for it.
I was arguing that Christianity was there first, (ie, before islam), as we were discussing islam.
Funyun deliberately misinterprets this to mean: Christianity was there before any other religion, "ie, polytheists"
I took advantage of his ambiguity to make fun of his comment by asking the rhetorical question, "Muslims are polytheists?"Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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4. Christians - those who identify themselves as Jews.
Don't forget to leave them out.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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5. Christians - those who follow the teachings of Christ. (Sorry to exclude you Ben.)Comment
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What? Messianic Jews. I really don't see the difference between Joseph Smith and Muhammed.5. Christians - those who follow the teachings of Christ. (Sorry to exclude you Ben.)Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Nice try. You can't talk yourself out of the fact that you claimed islam to predate christianity. Islam wasn't an issue when it was discussed if polytheism was a predecessor to christianism.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
Ben, just admit that you as usual made a stupid claim.
And no, you didn't took any advantage of any ambiguity since there wasn't a such - it was simply a stupid comment.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Nice try. You can't talk yourself out of the fact that you claimed islam to predate christianity. Islam wasn't an issue when it was discussed if polytheism was a predecessor to christianism.
Clearly Danish doesn't have rhetorical questions.
You just can't stop treading the spinach, can you?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Yes Ben, Messianic Jews would fit in that definition as Christian.
As for the differences between Joseph Smith and Mohammed, I sure anyone who isn't catatonic should be able to come up with at least a couple divergent qualities.Comment
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Not me being in that. Question was what was be before christianity in the east roman empire and you claimed it was islam. The simple idiocy of drawing islam into that question before it's invented is just stupid. Rhetorical or not.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
Clearly Danish doesn't have rhetorical questions.
You just can't stop treading the spinach, can you?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Honestly, BC, it seems to me that he did mean what I thought he meant. It's still bad, because he's completely ignoring the point of what MrFun said (i.e., that saying "we were there first" is pointless, since we in turn were preceded by others, preceded by others) to turn the conversation back to Islam so his point sounds somewhat less unreasonable. His rhetorical question was phrased so ambiguously that I was actually kind of surprised to guess it right, but it WAS the least nonsensical interpretation.
Also, somebody's going to grump at you for quoting him.Comment
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