Guynemer, you're right - America is FVCKED up.

[Jon Miller]

Mormonism considers us all to be embryonic Gods, and JWs do not recognize the divinity of Christ. Mormonism even has a new prophet with a new revelation.

If they're Christian, so is Islam.

Not as certain about Mormonism, but JW belief existed in the first 300 years AD. I don't think we can say that part isn't Christian.

You can find people who believe less orthodox things in every large/mainline denomination.

JM

[Elok]

In the absence of a universally accepted definition of "Christian," there's no point in arguing it. However, most Christians don't consider Mormons or JWs to be Christian--you could say that, for practical purposes, makes them a foreign religion tolerated by the majority. Sort of.

[Jon Miller]

Many in the SDA church (the majority perhaps) didn't recognize the divinity of Christ in the late 19th century (early 20th century?). I think the SDA church was always Christian, although evangelicals classified it as a cult until the 50s (by which time most SDAs recognized the divinity of Christ).

You can still find some in the SDA church that don't recognize the divinity of Christ (in actuality), but I have seen this in many mainline churches.

I think you can say that a group isn't 'evangelical' or 'orthodox' or 'pauline' before saying 'not christian'.

JM

[Elok]

Yeah, but I mean, if everyone around them considers them "not Christian," then they are, in effect, a tolerated foreign religion, regardless of the truth of the matter. We, as a group, think they're not Christian, but (again, as a group) we don't mess with them. At least, not anymore. We generally don't like them, but they're not officially discriminated against and a number of them are quite successful in our society.

[The Mad Monk]

No. There are plenty of ways to define "Christian" where Mormons and JWs are "Christian" while Islam is not.

Go for it.

[Hauldren Collider]

In the absence of a universally accepted definition of "Christian," there's no point in arguing it. However, most Christians don't consider Mormons or JWs to be Christian--you could say that, for practical purposes, makes them a foreign religion tolerated by the majority. Sort of.

Except in Utah.

[giblets]

How did they end up in Utah? I don't remember the details but I don't think they were tolerated.

[MrFun]

Islam is polytheist?

No ****in' idiot, I was not talking about Muslims.

Besides that, not sure how you could have misconstrued my statement that I was saying Muslims lived there before Christians, considering that Christianity came before Islam.

[Provost Harrison]

No ****in' idiot, I was not talking about Muslims.

Besides that, not sure how you could have misconstrued my statement that I was saying Muslims lived there before Christians, considering that Christianity came before Islam.

Don't get riled by him, he's an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about...

[BlackCat]

Islam is polytheist?

Once upon a time a canuck moved to texas. Not long after he started to claim he was a historian. I know that there are different interpretations of historical moments, but ...

PS. Sorry to all for quoting BK.

Edit: Should have pressed refresh before posting

[Ben Kenobi]

I was not talking about Muslims.

Really, because I was.

Besides that, not sure how you could have misconstrued my statement that I was saying Muslims lived there before Christians, considering that Christianity came before Islam.

Which is sort of why I argued that the Christians were there first? But nah, that couldn't have been what I meant, now could it?

[Ben Kenobi]

Once upon a time a canuck moved to texas. Not long after he started to claim he was a historian. I know that there are different interpretations of historical moments, but

Funyun misinterpreted what I said. As usual.

[Ben Kenobi]

No. There are plenty of ways to define "Christian" where Mormons and JWs are "Christian" while Islam is not.

I want to hear this argument.

[BlackCat]

Funyun misinterpreted what I said. As usual.

Well, you did actually claim that islam was in the east roman empire before it was christian - that was kind of funny.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, you did actually claim that islam was in the east roman empire before it was christian - that was kind of funny.

Uh, I never did anything like that.

Everyone knows that Islam isn't polygamist, ergo Fun's comment was a non sequitor. I asked a rhetorical question.

Tell me does Danish have that concept?