Thread in which the world laughs at America

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

My understanding is that the original "Grand Bargain" plan likely would've had enough votes to pass the House, but the majority of the GOP members would've voted no, and would subsequently overhaul the House leadership.

This is bad in what way?

[Hauldren Collider]

default america, you know you want to do it.

JUMP! JUMP! JUMP! JUMP!

[Hauldren Collider]

This is bad in what way?

Boehner's probably the best speaker you could ask for right now. So yeah, it'd be bad. Even if you don't like him, try to imagine somebody you'd rather have running the House.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I'm OK with Cantor.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

If this holds true, the deal is close.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/1...eficit-package

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm OK with Cantor.

Cantor's rumored to be the one scuttling lots of the deals. But yeah, I like him too.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Cantor's rumored to be the one scuttling lots of the deals. But yeah, I like him too.

It's called negotiation. If the hill piece holds true, the hard line "bad cop" role seems to have rolled up Harry. Course he always was a putz.

[Dinner]

The best solution at this point is to do a short term deal [and dare the President to veto it] in order to give the sides time to come to an accord.

No way. That's the second worst out come possible because it just keeps this whole default threat going thus unsettling markets. Republicans need to stop being treasonous and do their constitutional duty to honor the country's debts as they've done over 100 times since the 1960's, seven times just under Bush jr.

[Hauldren Collider]

Having more time to cut the deficit is a good thing, and a long term debt deal will remove any incentive the president has to make one.

[Dinner]

Good. Threatening default is NOT supposed to be part of the budgetary process and instead the budget is supposed to go through normal Congressional processes. Debate the budget during the regular yearly budget debates which occur when Congress passes the budget; that way the market doesn't get jittery (and the economy tank) because some retarded politician wants to posture for his most extreme base.

[Guynemer]

Hi, just popping briefly in.

Not if I have something to say about it. You belong here.

Does anybody have a reasonable guess what will happen if these jackasses actually let us default? Are we talking recession-gets-a-little-worse bad or former-millionaires-hunt-pigeons-for-food bad? Somewhere in between? Just a rough estimate would be fine.

There's an article on Slate that tends more towards the former, without entirely ruling out the later. Under any definition, it would be doubleplus ungood.

On a related note, I assume it would be construed as a threat if I were to tell my senator, "if you allow this debacle, we will break into your mansion in a mob at midnight, drag you out of your bed into the streets, and beat you to death in front of your family and/or the secretary you're boning at present." That would be considered a threat, no? I don't think that's fair, as it would really be more of a predictive warning. Is there some special way I could phrase it to get around the law?

Thanks.

I'm gonna defer to Imran and the rest of the Polytubbie legal squad on this question, but I like the cut of your jib.

[Guynemer]

This is bad in what way?

I didn't say that it was; obviously, Boehner has a different opinion.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

On a related note, I assume it would be construed as a threat if I were to tell my senator, "if you allow this debacle, we will break into your mansion in a mob at midnight, drag you out of your bed into the streets, and beat you to death in front of your family and/or the secretary you're boning at present." That would be considered a threat, no? I don't think that's fair, as it would really be more of a predictive warning. Is there some special way I could phrase it to get around the law?

I think you can simply quote that pitchfork and torch futures are skyrocketing.

[The Mad Monk]

A flag flown by people who fought to keep blacks enslaved is the symbol of the south? Ouch.

Are you gonna argue with The Dukes Of Hazard?

[The Mad Monk]

Obama is desparate to have the ceiling raised high enough that it doesn't have to be addressed before the 2012 elections.