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So what's more likely, homegrown terrorism or some kind of viral marketing for Thor?Comment
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How about the notion that this can't happen if you have a neutral foreign policy? It would seem that the naive belief that there wouldn't be this kind of violence led the Norwegians to eschew even trivial security precautions.Originally posted by Asher View Post
It is of course too early to say whether that would have helped, but just throwing that out there.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Nope, looks like you're the first one to politicize the tragedy.Originally posted by Asher View Post
Over 80 dead in a shooting... that's ****ing ridiculous.
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Yes, tragic.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Eh, Norway are bombing Libya with F16 currently, so it's maybe not sane to say that they have a neutral foreign policy.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
Please describe "trivial security precautions" further - it doesn't make any sense.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Just walk around Washington and you'll know what I mean.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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And what has that to do with a youth camp in Norway ?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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What part of being on the ground in Afghanistan and bombing Libya is neutral, BTW?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
Shocked that an American doesn't know what other countries are up to.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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I remember when Varg got a life sentence, it was actually something like 21 years in prison (the maximum allowed). So would this guy be free by the time he is in his mid 50s?Comment
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Right-wing extremist, who's surprised?“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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Man arrested in Norway attacks linked to extreme right wing: Reports
OSLO - The Norwegian man detained after twin attacks in Norway on Friday has links to right-wing extremism, independent Norwegian television TV2 reported on Saturday, without disclosing its sources.
Police were searching a flat in west Oslo where the man lived, TV2 said.
At least 17 people were feared dead in Norway on Friday night after a gunman mowed down students at a summer camp hours after a bomb had devastated the centre of Oslo.
Ten youths attending a political gathering were reported to have been shot dead when a terrorist disguised as a policeman opened fire on a holiday island on a lake near the capital.
Seven people had earlier been killed in central Oslo when a car bomb went off outside the country's main government building. Members of the country's ruling Labour Party were the targets in both cases.
British security forces were immediately placed on alert amid fears that Norway's worst terrorist outrage might be the first in a series of attacks on the West.
The carnage followed repeated warnings that al-Qaida was planning a Mumbai-style attack on countries involved in the war in Afghanistan.
At least one Islamic terror group quickly claimed the attacks were "revenge" for Norway's engagement in Afghanistan, and for the publication of cartoons of the prophet Mohammed in Denmark.
However, a gunman arrested on the island of Utoya was described as blond, white, and speaking fluent Norwegian, raising the possibility that the attacks could have been linked to domestic politics. Police said they had also linked the suspect to the bomb attack on Oslo.
Witnesses reported teenagers throwing themselves into the notoriously dangerous waters around the island in a desperate attempt to flee the bullets. Rescue workers claimed to have seen between 20 and 30 bodies floating in the water.
Andre Skeie, 26, who took his boat to the island to help evacuate people, said: "I've seen it with my own eyes, at least 20 dead people lying in the water." Relatives and friends of those caught up in the attack were warned not to phone in case the ringing gave away the location of those hiding from the gunman.
"We were in the grass. We had to be quiet as we hid," said Lisa Irene Johansen, one of the crowd. "He was wearing a police uniform, with a shooting vest, and there was complete panic as he shot."
The powerful explosion targeting the office of Jens Stoltenberg, the country's prime minister, at 3.15pm, caused widespread destruction to the oil ministry and several media outlets, including the state broadcaster, NRK and Norwegian tabloid newspaper VG.
Most of the windows in the 20-floor building where Mr Stoltenberg worked were shattered. Mr Stoltenberg, who was working at home, spoke briefly by phone from a secure location. Struggling to cope with the enormity of the attack, he said the army would be mobilized to assist the police. "It's important that we don't let ourselves be scared. Because the purpose of that kind of violence is to create fear," he added.
Bodies lay strewn among the devastation in Oslo. Eyewitnesses described torsos hanging out of broken windows and corpses lying untouched in the wreckage-strewn streets.
"It looks like a war zone. It doesn't look as if one is in Norway. All the windows are ruined. The whole entrance area is crushed," said Anne Marte Blindheim, a journalist at the scene. "There is blood and case documents all around and crushed cars. A car is laying on the side, completely burnt out."
David Cameron released a statement expressing solidarity with the Norwegian people, saying that "we can overcome this evil". "I was outraged to hear about the explosion in Oslo and attack in Utoya today that have killed and injured innocent people," he said.
"My thoughts are with the wounded and those who have lost friends and family, and I know everyone in Britain will feel the same. "These attacks are a stark reminder of the threat we all face from terrorism. I have called Prime Minister Stoltenberg this evening to express my sincere condolences and to let him know that our thoughts are with the Norwegian people at this tragic time.
"I have offered Britain's help, including through our close intelligence co-operation. We will work with Norway to hunt the murderers who did this and prevent any more innocent deaths. We can overcome this evil, and we will."
President Barack Obama, who visited Oslo in 2009 to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, said the American government had offered Norway any help necessary. "We have to work co-operatively together on intelligence and in terms of prevention of these kinds of horrible attacks," he said. "Our hearts go out to them and we will provide any support we can to them."
The U.K. terrorist alert level remained at "substantial" last night, meaning an attack was a strong possibility.
Analysts at MI5 were working late into the night to track down any possible links between extremists in Britain and Norway. Norway's Police Security Service (PST), the equivalent of MI5, rounded up an alleged terrorist cell with links to Britain almost exactly a year ago.
Mikael Davud had allegedly been in contact with Rashid Rauf, a British al-Qaida commander who was also running simultaneous plots in Manchester, aimed at Easter shoppers, and in New York, aimed at the city's metro. The PST also found passport photographs of Ibrahim Adam, one of Britain's most wanted terrorist suspects, at Davud's sixth floor flat, causing an international alert over concerns that he was trying to return to Britain to launch an attack.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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Oops, meant to post that comment after you.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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It's hard to keep all these browser windows and personas in check."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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This must be the most idiotic statement of this year. Going on high alert of what ? Protecting who ? How the hell could anyone know that bombs against the government would also involve killngs in a youth camp ?Originally posted by KrazyHorse View PostWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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