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  • To be or not to be... an *******.

    Or: The Return of the Evil Best Friend Who Ruined My Life

    So, as some of you may or may not remember, I used to make threads from time to time about a certain FEmale in my life, whom I referred to as the Evil Best Friend Who Ruined My Life (EBFWRML). I was madly in love with her, and she was "in love" with me, too, but in a "platonic" sense, which mostly meant she told me all the time how great and awesome I was and how she was never going to have sex with me. The EBFWRML's presence ruined my first two romantic relationships, and you all thought I was pretty dumb for not demanding that she either **** me or **** off.

    Anywho, for various reasons, she and I stopped being friends about three years ago.

    Then, just before Christmas last year, her 50ish mother had a massive, sudden heart attack and died. I went to the funeral, because I'm not a total bastard, and after that we started talking a bit.

    Recently, however, her perennial depression has reared its ugly head again. Our ability to support each other during our various depressive episodes was one of the really big parts of our friendship back in the day, and because of that she's reaching out to me now.

    But she's more depressed than she's ever been before. She has no money, no mother, no friends, no job, no where to live except her father's house, no way to get out of her massive college loans, and no prospects for her life. Her mental state has gotten so bad, in fact, that she's trying to convince her family to let her kill herself, and she voluntarily committed herself for a few days, where she was (finally) diagnosed bipolar type II and prescribed lithium.

    So the question is, should I be there for her? I'm living happily with my girlfriend and I'm in no desperate need of friends, but I can't deny that I still care a great deal for the EBFWRML. Although she has told me not to repeatedly, I will feel a great deal of guilt if she does in fact kill herself. And yet if I do let her back into my life (which, obviously, is no guarantee that she won't end it all anyway), history shows that I will seriously mother****ing **** things up.
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    Yes, don't be an *******.
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    No, do be an *******.
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    Offer her a banana.
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  • #2
    Preliminary advice: keep at arms length.

    How did she ruin your relationships last time exactly?

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    • #3
      She needs serious professional help, which hopefully she's now getting.

      Being there for her sounds ok assuming "being there for her" doesn't mean getting yourself into a downward spiral of complex depressive dependency, which will impact and probably damage your relationship with your girlfriend.

      When she's sick she might not be able to help herself try and destroy your relationship, if her depressive thinking makes it seem like that'd get more from you...

      If being there for her means, talking to her, helping her out with practical stuff where you can, then fine, but make sure you involve your girlfriend in everything, and make sure that EBFWRML appreciates that you come as a package and anything she does to damage that relationship you'll have to cut all contact.
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      • #4
        Do not. It's her problem, not yours. By being there, you make it your problem. Beyond that this does not have any benefit to you it will ruin your current relationship.

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        • #5
          Also, if she harms herself it's not your fault, it's the illness. There's probably little you can do that will help her get better, and if you are sensing your involvement might actually make things worse, for her and you, I'd keep at arms length as Kitschum said.
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          Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kitschum View Post
            How did she ruin your relationships last time exactly?
            To be clear, I believe that I ruined my relationships. Others believe she did. But the gist of it is that she was very possessive of me while at the same time telling me I should have my own romantic relationships. The first time around, I fell in love with her while dating someone else. The second time around (and this is massively simplifying things), she sent me nude pictures of herself from time to time because she, apparently, wanted me to appreciate them artistically.
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            • #7
              I don't know what to do. Maybe hope that things have changed in 3 years and try to be there for her? And if you start getting attracted, end being her friend?

              JM
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              • #8
                I'm living happily with my girlfriend
                Is the Key phrase. She has screwed up your life before and you don't dare risk it again. It may sound harsh, but you already played that game and got screwed. You may think you still owe her something but you do not. That debt was paid. I'm not saying ignore her if she calls but be sure to stay at arms length and avoid getting sucked back into the vortex. You can sound supportive without getting involved. DON"T LET HER MESS WITH YOU ANYMORE. DO NOT RISK WHAT YOU HAVE>
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kitschum View Post
                  Preliminary advice: keep at arms length.

                  How did she ruin your relationships last time exactly?
                  He was madly in love with her. How would that work with him in another relationship?

                  JM
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                    To be clear, I believe that I ruined my relationships. Others believe she did. But the gist of it is that she was very possessive of me while at the same time telling me I should have my own romantic relationships. The first time around, I fell in love with her while dating someone else. The second time around (and this is massively simplifying things), she sent me nude pictures of herself from time to time because she, apparently, wanted me to appreciate them artistically.
                    Ok, your friends are right. She destroyed your previous relationships.

                    Forget what I said, stay clear. She'll destroy this one too.
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                    Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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                    • #11
                      Heh. The nudie picture thing always seems to change people's opinion of her.
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                      • #12
                        Oh.

                        Yeah, she will want that attention if she is very depressed.

                        Keep her at arms length, but support her to get help (not by spending time with her/being her friend/etc, but just by telling her to get help).

                        JM
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                        • #13
                          JM

                          Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                          Heh. The nudie picture thing always seems to change people's opinion of her.
                          Note I only went from "will probably damage your current relationship" to "will definitely damage your current relationship" it's wasn't a massive switch...
                          Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                          Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                          We've got both kinds

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                          • #14
                            BTW: much more important than what we think, what does your girlfriend think?
                            Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                            Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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                            • #15
                              My girlfriend thinks that I should be there for the EBFWRML if necessary, but that I need to be completely open and honest about all my dealings with her. However, I met my girlfriend after I stopped being friends with the EBFWRML, so she has no firsthand experience with the relationship-destroying stuff. (By which I mean the girlfriend doesn't possibly think the EBFWRML could be all that bad.)
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