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  • Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
    One man.
    Two Women.
    Pregnancy and Birth.
    Jealousy.
    Holy Wars thousands of years later.
    Aww... it's like thousands of years of complex history between nations and religious comes down to a neat little soap opera in your mind!
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    • Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
      lets just stay with Muslims and Jews
      So are Christians and Jews at war?
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      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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      • Originally posted by loinburger View Post
        Where did I say that? Please answer the question: are you claiming that the "Jews killed Jesus" issue is irrelevant? If not, then why do you single out the Muslims for your "they want to kill the Jews!" bigotry?

        And bear in mind, unlike the Isaac/Ishmael feud, people really do reference the "Jews killed Jesus" issue when launching attacks against the Jews.
        Lets just stay on topic about the Jews and Muslims.

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        • Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
          So are Christians and Jews at war?
          not now

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          • Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
            Lets just stay on topic about the Jews and Muslims.
            No. You are applying a double standard, and I want to know why. Why do you fear/hate Muslims but not Christians, despite the fact that Christians have even more of a "scriptural reason" to be at war with the Jews, and despite the fact that Christians have killed more Jews than the Muslims have?
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            • Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
              Aww... it's like thousands of years of complex history between nations and religious comes down to a neat little soap opera in your mind!
              millions have died because of this "soap opera"

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              • Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                millions have died because of this "soap opera"
                Millions? Where do you get that number?

                Christians have killed millions of Jews, there's documented evidence of this. But where do you get the idea that Muslims have killed millions of Jews?
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                • Historian Bernard Lewis noted reasons that Muslims were not as historically anti-semitic as their Christian counterparts:

                  Bernard Lewis holds that Muslims were not antisemitic in the way Christians were for the most part because:

                  The gospels are not part of the educational system in Muslim society and therefore Muslims are not brought up with the stories of Jewish deicide; on the contrary the notion of deicide is rejected by the Qur'an as a blasphemous absurdity.

                  Muhammad and his early followers were not Jews and therefore they did not present themselves as the true Israel or feel threatened by survival of the old Israel.

                  The Qur'an was not viewed by Muslims as a fulfillment of the Hebrew Bible, but rather as a restorer of its original messages that had been distorted over time. Thus no clash of interpretations between Judaism and Islam could arise.

                  Muhammad was not killed by the Jewish community and he was victorious in the clash with the Jewish community in Medina.

                  Muhammad did not claim to have been Son of God or Messiah but only a prophet; a claim which Jews repudiated less.

                  Muslims saw the conflict between Muhammad and the Jews as something of minor importance in Muhammad's career.[168
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                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                    No. You are applying a double standard, and I want to know why. Why do you fear/hate Muslims but not Christians, despite the fact that Christians have even more of a "scriptural reason" to be at war with the Jews, and despite the fact that Christians have killed more Jews than the Muslims have?
                    NO! you asked me "what is your source for the claim that the conflict is entirely based on religious strife"?
                    I showed with my "cut and paste".

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                    • Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                      Millions? Where do you get that number?

                      Christians have killed millions of Jews, there's documented evidence of this. But where do you get the idea that Muslims have killed millions of Jews?
                      millions of people.

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                      • Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                        NO! you asked me "what is your source for the claim that the conflict is entirely based on religious strife"?
                        I showed with my "cut and paste".
                        And your argument applies even more so to Christians. Why aren't you at war with the Christians?

                        millions of people
                        Where do you get that number?
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                        • edit: DanS'ed
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                          "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                          • many have died. better?

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                            • Why aren't you at war with the Christians?
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                              • Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                                Why aren't you at war with the Christians?
                                Are we going to change the subject?

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