Racist Poster

[Boris Godunov]

#1:
The American Civil War Was Defined by Brilliant Generals and Strategy

Yeah, but then they go and blame Pickett's Charge on Pickett, when that was 100% Lee's doing. They also cite a source as saying that Lee was the only brilliant general the South had, and the rest were second-rate. I think it's Lee that's overrated, and there were several Southern commanders who were superior to him (Longstreet, Jackson, Forrest).

Were I to rank the best Civil War generals, they would be:

1. Sherman (He's the only one that had the foresight of what modern warfare would become)
2. Longstreet
3. Forrest (personal qualities notwithstanding)
4. Jackson
5. Grant
6. Lee
7. Sheridan
8. G. Thomas
9. J. Buford
10. Meade

The absolute worst general of the war was Southern, though: Bragg. Yet he gets a Fort named after him.

[SlowwHand]

Worst? What about McClellan?

[Boris Godunov]

Worst? What about McClellan?

McClellan may have been **** as a field commander and as a strategist, but he was a brilliant organizer and he made the Army of the Potomac into a fighting force. He just didn't want to actually use it.

Also, he gets credit for "beating" Lee at Antietam, in spite of his bumbling leading up to and after it. As that was probably the battle that sealed the fate of the CSA, I just can't rank him as the worst. He wasn't even the worst Union general--that would have to be Burnsides.

Bragg's only "victory" was Chickamauga, which was actually a strategic defeat for the Confederacy, since Bragg lost so many men and failed to follow up on the tactical win. His inability to win the loyalty of his subordinates was crippling.

[SlowwHand]

While you're busy badmouthing Lee, don't lose sight of the fact that the South generally was outmanned in battle.

Interesting, if you like this kind of thing.

10 BEST COMMANDED BATTLES
BATTLE DATE COMMANDER
1. Chancellorsville 5/1-4/63 CS Gen. Robert E. Lee
2. 2nd Bull Run 8/29-30/62 CS Gen. Robert E. Lee
3. Nashville 12/15-16/64 US Maj. Gen. George Thomas
4. Brice's Cross Roads 6/10/64 CS Lt. Gen. Nathan B. Forrest
5. Cedar Creek 10/19/64 US Maj. Gen. Phil Sheridan
6. Shiloh 4/6-7/62 US Maj. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant
7. Franklin 11/30/64 US Maj. Gen. John Schofield
8. Gettysburg 7/1-3/63 US Maj. Gen. George Meade
9. Drewry's Bluff 5/16/64 CS Gen. P.G.T. Beauregard
10. Monocacy 7/9/64 US Maj. Gen. Lew Wallace

http://www.americanwars101.com/facts/1861-1865/all-top10.html

Sherman was a piece of crap that earned his most reknown by burning civilian's homes.

[Boris Godunov]

While you're busy badmouthing Lee, don't lose sight of the fact that the South generally was outmanned in battle.

So it's "badmouthing" Lee to rank him #6?

I don't deny Lee was a good general, I just don't buy into his deification. He made some of the worst blunders of the war, which have to balance out his moments of genius.

Sherman was a piece of crap that earned his most reknown by burning civilian's homes.

If he did the same thing for the CSA, you'd be singing his praises and you know it.

And that's inaccurate, too. Sherman was a brilliant strategist who was decades ahead of his time in terms of understanding total war. If the North had fought the whole war the way he did, it would have ended in 2 years with far less bloodshed on both sides.

[SlowwHand]

I didn't mean that as much as you as another, but I will say that given the fact that he was out-manned and out-gunned, Lee deserves much more than 6

[Al B. Sure!]

Hey Sloww, I ever tell you I get a little hard when I think of Sherman's march?

[Boris Godunov]

I didn't mean that as much as you as another, but I will say that given the fact that he was out-manned and out-gunned, Lee deserves much more than 6

He'd certainly deserve to be better than six if those five better generals weren't there, yes.

[giblets]

Being outnumbered doesn't make you a good general.

[Jon Miller]

Yeah, but then they go and blame Pickett's Charge on Pickett, when that was 100% Lee's doing. They also cite a source as saying that Lee was the only brilliant general the South had, and the rest were second-rate. I think it's Lee that's overrated, and there were several Southern commanders who were superior to him (Longstreet, Jackson, Forrest).

Were I to rank the best Civil War generals, they would be:

1. Sherman (He's the only one that had the foresight of what modern warfare would become)
2. Longstreet
3. Forrest (personal qualities notwithstanding)
4. Jackson
5. Grant
6. Lee
7. Sheridan
8. G. Thomas
9. J. Buford
10. Meade

The absolute worst general of the war was Southern, though: Bragg. Yet he gets a Fort named after him.

Interesting list.

Where would you put McPherson? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_B._McPherson

Or Fitzhugh Lee? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzhugh_Lee

JM

[SlowwHand]

Being outnumbered doesn't make you a good general.

Being outnumbered and winning doesn't make you a bad one.

[giblets]

Being outnumbered and winning doesn't make you a bad one.

Do Pyrrhic victories count?

[Provost Harrison]

Actually, given the much smaller population, Washington appears to be the rape capital. Rape certainly isn't a Southern thing.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri...-forcible-rape

Sorry man, but that's meaningless without it being a proportion of the population. California is naturally going to come out the highest, being the most populous state

[giblets]

Texas has 9% of the rapes and 8% of the population. Wonderful...

[Provost Harrison]

It's just the way SlowwBrain posts these pieces of information thinking he is being clever, but fails so badly.