A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

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Spoiler:

Well, Shireen is very very dead this season. Crispy like bacon.

[Lorizael]

It hardly matters who she is.

Littlefinger's plan in the books is to marry Sansa to the heir of the Vale and have Lord Robert (Robin in the show) bite the dust through medical malpractice. Thus uniting the Vale and the North in one dynasty under his control, while Littlefinger himself is Lord Paramount of the Riverlands via his seat at Harrenhal.

It's all part of a long-running scheme, too; killing Joffrey and framing Tyrion gets Sansa out of her marriage while providing him with the opportunity to spirit her away. The marriage to Tyrion itself was also engineered by him, to keep her from slipping out of his grasp to Highgarden.

Yeah, yeah. I just have a lot of trouble understanding how his plan gets him on the Iron Throne, as well as how it's managed to incorporate thoroughly unpredictable events (Bran falling and the consequences thereof, for example).

[Dinner]

I'm talking about your spoiler which allowed me to correctly deduce that:

Spoiler:

Aegon Targaryen has been written out of the TV series - look Tyrion gets to Volantis all by himself!

So, yes, thanks for that Oerdin!

All I said is the show is decidedly breaking with the book and going their own way. You can guess what ever you want from that but a reasonable person wouldn't call that a spoiler.

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I know, but a casual reading of the series could leave you utterly flummoxed as to who Jeyne Poole is when she suddenly pops back into the picture.



She's still learning the trade, kind of. And I still have no idea what Littlefinger's plan is, in the books or the show.

It hardly matters who she is.

Littlefinger's plan in the books is to marry Sansa to the heir of the Vale and have Lord Robert (Robin in the show) bite the dust through medical malpractice. Thus uniting the Vale and the North in one dynasty under his control, while Littlefinger himself is Lord Paramount of the Riverlands via his seat at Harrenhal.

It's all part of a long-running scheme, too; killing Joffrey and framing Tyrion gets Sansa out of her marriage while providing him with the opportunity to spirit her away. The marriage to Tyrion itself was also engineered by him, to keep her from slipping out of his grasp to Highgarden.

[Imran Siddiqui]

In the books, you get the sudden realization right before he murders Lysa (and pins it on the singer rather than doing the whole suicide wink wink thing) that he's been behind everything, and it all comes together as one huge masterstroke. In the show it seems like he's just failing upwards.

Yep. And I agree with you on the book-Littlefinger's plan being brilliant.

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Yes, my wife, who never read any of the books saw this and said, "I thought you said he was a mastermind, but he's more of an idiot if he doesn't know what's going on here"

[Lorizael]

Jeyne Poole.

I know, but a casual reading of the series could leave you utterly flummoxed as to who Jeyne Poole is when she suddenly pops back into the picture.

She dicks around learning the tools of the trade from Littlefinger, however. Who had a much more brilliant plan in the books.

She's still learning the trade, kind of. And I still have no idea what Littlefinger's plan is, in the books or the show.

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His plan in the books is fantastic (although doomed to fail I think). Here, he's thrown the key to his rule of the Vale over to his biggest regional rival (Lord Royce), he's sending Sansa to marry a complete psychopath who he claims to have no knowledge of on the hope that somehow she'll be running the place and not Ramsay (or perhaps hoping Stannis will take the place over? idk), even though Roose Bolton ****ing murdered her father and is in bed with the Lannisters. It makes no sense at all. Show Littlefinger acts like a complete ****ing ******.

In the books, you get the sudden realization right before he murders Lysa (and pins it on the singer rather than doing the whole suicide wink wink thing) that he's been behind everything, and it all comes together as one huge masterstroke. In the show it seems like he's just failing upwards.

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Actually I'm enjoying this season a bit more because they're past where I stopped reading the books.
I don't get irritated when the make a change I think is stupid and I don't always know what's going to happen.

[Imran Siddiqui]

She dicks around learning the tools of the trade from Littlefinger, however. Who had a much more brilliant plan in the books.

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Jeyne Poole. But what happens to Jeyne Poole probably doesn't happen to Sansa.

The Sansa plot makes no sense at all but they thought want to conserve the number of characters I suppose. There are a number of things that got changed for simplicity that make it all "work" together:

Spoiler:

Jon's apparently going to Hardhome, so there's no pink letter and therefore no need for fake arya shenanigans
Mance isn't going to Winterfell, Brienne is instead
Davos isn't going to White Harbor or securing Rickon it seems, so Sansa's standing in as the real Stark to become ruler of Winterfell

[Lorizael]

I get the Sansa change. Rather than have her dick around in the Eyrie with Robin/Robert, they're giving her a plot line the books reserved for a minor character I've forgotten the name of.

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To cover their A** they go out of their way to have LF spout how little he knows about him so he won't appear so dickish.

Spoiler:

But I think that statement just makes him appear more fallible. How could he not know about the results of his tax collecting.
Those are the types of things that everyone talks about and would be secret.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Big time mistake, IMO.

[Nikolai]

I think it's a mistake, unless there's a plot we don't know about yet.