A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[OzzyKP]

Hah, I forgot about the pirate dude. He seemed like he was going to be a fun character but we haven't seen him since. Hopefully he makes another appearance soon.

[Wezil]

This topic came up at Wezil's Weekly last night.

Things agreed upon:

1) Plot too slow (due to # of characters)
2) A dragon killing of a human is needed by the end of season #2 (we agreed a 3 on 1 attack by the dragons would be acceptable due to their still small size)
3) The pirate dude needs to "**** the blonde Queen"
4) Joffrey needs to go.

[Guynemer]

Doesn't matter if they are POV or not. Robb Stark was never a POV character for instance. If they are important to the story (and some undoubtedly are), their inclusion will be expanded and it'll be another character for the non-book viewer to try to fit in to the world.

Almost all of those characters are actually introduced in book 3, though, and most of them are minor/unimportant (at least so far). Once we get to book 5, that whole storyline is a mess, but not necessarily because of new characters (who are still almost entirely minor).

[Guynemer]

I think at this point I have to ask if you've read Feast for Crows. A good quarter to a third of the book is dedicated to those new characters.

And one of them manifests in POV chapters in Book 5, and a preview chapter for Book 6 shows another being of pretty big importance.

The only significant characters I remember seeing in the preview chapter were

Spoiler:

Stannis, Asha, and Theon

, unless there is another one floating about.

And, in retrospect, I don't remember 25-33% of AFFC being about all new characters, but instead most of it being

Spoiler:

Cersei's descent into drunken madness, Jaime seeking redemption, Brienne seeing the horrors visited on the smallfolk, with smatterings of the Stark children and Samwell

with only a small portion being

Spoiler:

Iron Islands, and even most of that was centered on Asha; and an even smaller (but awesome) portion taking place in Dorne.

though I freely admit I could be completely wrong.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Almost all of them minor, none of them point of view, and all through Dany's eyes. Nothing really new there, as compared to her story up to this point.

Doesn't matter if they are POV or not. Robb Stark was never a POV character for instance. If they are important to the story (and some undoubtedly are), their inclusion will be expanded and it'll be another character for the non-book viewer to try to fit in to the world.

At this time I'll also remind you that Clash of Kings (Book 2) only introduced TWO new POV characters: Theon Greyjoy and Davos Seaworth.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Not really, especially since we really don't spend that much time with those new characters as opposed to characters we already know. (The aforementioned Sam and Brienne, for instance; further discussion withheld due to risk of spoilers.)

I think at this point I have to ask if you've read Feast for Crows. A good quarter to a third of the book is dedicated to those new characters.

And one of them manifests in POV chapters in Book 5, and a preview chapter for Book 6 shows another being of pretty big importance.

[Guynemer]

Almost forgot (well, Guy and I forgot) to mention, all the people we meet in Essos, esp Slaver's Bay.

Almost all of them minor, none of them point of view, and all through Dany's eyes. Nothing really new there, as compared to her story up to this point.

Other than her story gets ****ING AWESOME (for a while, anyway).

[Guynemer]

And you don't think that's all that many new main characters? Two more huge Iron Islanders (at least) and a whole new family consisting of at least 5 new big time characters (though perhaps 3 of them can be less important)? That's a lot of new background and storyline.

Not really, especially since we really don't spend that much time with those new characters as opposed to characters we already know. (The aforementioned Sam and Brienne, for instance; further discussion withheld due to risk of spoilers.)

[Imran Siddiqui]

Almost forgot (well, Guy and I forgot) to mention, all the people we meet in Essos, esp Slaver's Bay.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Book/Season 2 introduced Stannis, Melissandre, Davos, Arya/Yaya, & Balon as main(ish) characters right?

There are a couple of Tullys (the awesomest ones) who were in Book 2, but won't really appear until Season 3 for the show.

I remember that there was a lot of complaining from Book readers that Book 4 introduced a whole bunch of new characters and locations and a lot of readers didn't really care for all the pages spent on them.

[OzzyKP]

I think that's less then book/season 2, so if that's it for the next three books that's not bad at all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

They don't introduce that many new characters in the third/fourth/fifth book, and the ones who are introduced are at least relations of characters we know (Greyjoys) or will know after season 3 (Martells).

And you don't think that's all that many new main characters? Two more huge Iron Islanders (at least) and a whole new family consisting of at least 5 new big time characters (though perhaps 3 of them can be less important)? That's a lot of new background and storyline.

[Flubber]

The plotting is fine, who doesn't love a good conspiracy?

The endless stream of new characters (this is what slows things down) is not.

well -- unfortunately for you, there are many more characters to come.... But they do kill characters off at an equally rapid pace.

I enjoyed the books but I do recall being peeved when a favorite character would not be written of for 100 pages-- (or even a whole book !!)

[Krill]

Spoiler:

Ah yes, long time since I read that bit. Thanks for the reminder

[Guynemer]

Spoiler:

Ser Shadrich, the "Mad Mouse", whom Brienne briefly met on her journey, and who has recently agreed to enter Littlefinger's service.