A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[regexcellent]

The chemistry between Jon Snow and Ygritte this season was incredible so you shut your whore mouth.

[MikeH]

They can just replace him with the guy that played Robb Stark as they look so identical you can only tell them apart because one of them is playing in the Snow.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

There's a clear difference between them. Robb always looked glum with a vaguely bored air, whereas Snow always looked glum with a vaguely sad air.

[Ecthy]

What new facial expression do you mean?

Is it "I know some things... ouch!" ?

[Tuberski]

He's mistaking claw marks for an expression.

ACK!

[Jon Miller]

(this is books) I am wondering how Ned managed to be successful until he came down to be the Hand. He was even successful in Robert's rebellion.

??

JM

[Dinner]

He was always a warrior and was a foster brother with Robert under John Arryan so they had a tight relationship. That said, Ned was trained to be a vassal/follower of his older brother who was killed by the mad king after Rhaegar kidnapped his sister. Robert was enraged because he was engaged to marry Ned's sister and John Arryan kind of lead the whole thing from the big picture scale while Robert and Ned lead the banner men. Ned actually had a chance to declare himself king but didn't want the responsibility so Robert got it kind of as a default. After that Ned was just over seeing his family's holdings in the North until he got named hand of the King.

Spoiler:

The sequence is Robert got wounded at the battle of the Trident when he killed Rhaegar so Ned took the Army to King's Landing for Robert but before he got there Tywin's forces had already sacked it (before that the Lannisters were neutral). Ned immediately left King's Landing though to look for his sister with just a few knights, the old King's guard was holding his sister in a tower and they died in the fight, his sister "died in a bed of blood" immediately after and then Ned came home with the infant John Snow. It seems logical that John Snow wasn't Ned's child and instead was his sister's child with Prince Rhaegar (who had kidnapped her) and she died in child birth making Ned promise something which so far has not been revealed. The only person left alive who was there and knows the truth was Reed who is Jojan's father.

[Ecthy]

So many words. I think what he's really asking is how could Ned be a successful lord in his own lands, being so nice and all. I guess the true reason is he never forgot to check the weather in the morning.

[MikeH]

There's a clear difference between them. Robb always looked glum with a vaguely bored air, whereas Snow always looked glum with a vaguely sad air.

And their wolves looked different.

[MikeH]

(this is books) I am wondering how Ned managed to be successful until he came down to be the Hand. He was even successful in Robert's rebellion.

??

JM

Being naive at politics doesn't mean he can't be a ruthless, cunning and effective commander. Plus the enemy in the rebellion were commanded by a total nutjob.

His rise and fall basically mirrors Robb's. Tremendous victories in battle but felled as soon as he was required to get involved in more subtle politics.

[Ecthy]

He was Lord of Winterfell for 15 years for Aegon's sake!

[MikeH]

For as long as his friend Robert was king, as soon as Robert was gone he was ****ed.

[Ecthy]

For as long as his friend Robert was king, as soon as Robert was gone he was ****ed.

There's absolutely no hint his reign in the north depended on Robert in any way.

[Felch]

I think it's clear that Ned Stark's leadership style was appropriate for the North, but not King's Landing. He wasn't incompetent, it's just that being Lord of Winterfell requires a different skill set (and mind set) than being Hand of the King.

[MikeH]

There's absolutely no hint his reign in the north depended on Robert in any way.

Robert dying and the whole country splintering apart certainly indicates that his rule was key to stability for all regions.