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  • #31
    Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
    You do realize that the federal fiscal year started in September and we've been operating without a budget all this time, right? The question should be if Democrats are in favor of a shutdown given the fact they still haven't come up with a budget.
    We've been actually without a budget since the 2008-09 Fiscal Year. It's been a Continuing Resolution since then (which means federal outlays continue on exactly the same). Fiscal year actually started in October, btw.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
      I do blame the democrats partially.

      JM
      Why not entirely? The Dems had both legislative bodies and the presidency. It's been forever since we've had a proper budget.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
        Obviously, because your system has only one veto point. Our system requires the agreement between three independent political institutions that may be controlled by different, antagonistic factions.
        Exactly. Laughable.

        Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
        If your ruling party had some kind of internal mechanism with multiple veto points (say, the prime minister they elected actually disagreed strongly with the party), then it would be possible for negotiations to fail there too.
        If the party leader disagrees with the party the party will kick him/her out and we'll have a new PM. Happens frequently. Thatcher got thrown out, and Blair without losing an election.

        PM is just the leader of the majority party, or leader of the largest party in a coalition. We don't specifically vote for an individual as PM, we vote for a local representative. No guarantee that party leader will be PM until whenever the next election is. Although if the leader isn't seen as one that has the party behind them it does really weaken them in the eyes of the electorate.
        Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
        Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
        We've got both kinds

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        • #34
          Originally posted by rah View Post
          worse, since as you pointed out, there would have been no immediate repercussions.
          Seriously, WTF is up with that anyway? What could they possibly have lost by passing a bloated budget during their ample lame duck session and letting the average voter with the attention span of a gnat forget about the particulars by 2012? WTF???
          Unbelievable!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by MikeH View Post
            If the party leader disagrees with the party the party will kick him/her out and we'll have a new PM. Happens frequently. Thatcher got thrown out, and Blair without losing an election.

            PM is just the leader of the majority party, or leader of the largest party in a coalition. We don't specifically vote for an individual as PM, we vote for a local representative. No guarantee that party leader will be PM until whenever the next election is. Although if the leader isn't seen as one that has the party behind them it does really weaken them in the eyes of the electorate.
            I'm pretty sure Kuci was saying that only as a hypothetical ("If your ruling party had some kind of internal mechanism with multiple veto points"). But yes, that scenario would be laughable too.
            Unbelievable!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Lonestar View Post
              Personally, I'm for it. It'll make my commute easier.
              Yes, traffic is going to be FANTASTIC

              Are you an essential government worker?

              EDIT: nvm, you answered on the first page
              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
              ){ :|:& };:

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              • #37
                Also, MikeH: Checks and balances

                Gridlock is good. Keeps people from doing stupid **** unless they absolutely trash the election, like in 08. PPACA
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                ){ :|:& };:

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                • #38
                  PPACA
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
                    Seriously, WTF is up with that anyway? What could they possibly have lost by passing a bloated budget during their ample lame duck session and letting the average voter with the attention span of a gnat forget about the particulars by 2012? WTF???
                    Plus, they wouldn't have enabled the Republicans to make the negotiations they're making right now.

                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                    PPACA
                    Moron.
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                    ){ :|:& };:

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                    • #40
                      What kind of ****** wants sick people to receive treatment?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Plus, they wouldn't have enabled the Republicans to make the negotiations they're making right now.
                        Not plus, but my point exactly. Not only did they have all the power they needed to get it done and two months to do it with, but they also had 100% certain confirmation of the time horizon. Still nothing.
                        Unbelievable!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                          What kind of ****** wants sick people to receive treatment?
                          http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/187167-Healthcare-Reform-Thread-II Just read this thread again.
                          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                          ){ :|:& };:

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
                            Not plus, but my point exactly. Not only did they have all the power they needed to get it done and two months to do it with, but they also had 100% certain confirmation of the time horizon. Still nothing.
                            Right. Cowards. And if the Paul Ryan budget says anything, it shows the Republicans as of late are not cowards.
                            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                            ){ :|:& };:

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
                              Seriously, WTF is up with that anyway? What could they possibly have lost by passing a bloated budget during their ample lame duck session and letting the average voter with the attention span of a gnat forget about the particulars by 2012? WTF???
                              Excuse me?

                              I have you know, we have the attention span of a flea, not of a gnat.
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                              • #45
                                and I opened this when I saw you responded expecting to see some partisan complaining. My apologies.
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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