****ing Religious ****ing ****ers!!!

[Docfeelgood]

Bull****. That one wanker burns a book doesnt absolve the next wanker from killing innocent people.

But he knew the wankers would kill

[Riesstiu IV]

Fortunately more religious people have done more good for humanity so that in the end, even if there is no god at all, religion has done more good then evil.

How is spreading lie after lie and sexually repressing women who would normally be sluts, good for humanity?

[DaShi]

The perfect crime.

[Felch]

I notice how you have conveniently avoided condemning the Christian that started this all by burning the Quran. I can only assume that this is your own blinked religious prejudice in action and is, in itself, a reason why the world would be better off without religious people...

The BBC took the same sort of stance, questioning why the Americans would be so provocative. The fact is that Afghans are savages, and nothing we do will ever make them happy. They were murdering people for no reason last week, and they'll murder people for no reason next week.

Really!? How can you justify that claim? I would claim that vast amounts of death, wars and suffering down the ages have religion as their direct cause...

Seriously? You don't think that private disputes, greed, and political issues were at stake in any of those wars? Most of the time, when people do violence in the name of religion there's something else at work. Ethnic disputes or economic inequality are the background cause, and religion is just the propaganda reason. You're almost as bad as those fools who think that America fights for freedom.

Never take anybody's word for it, when they're voicing their motivations. For all we know these Afghans were killing UN workers because they were involved in a drug racket or something. Religion is a convenient cover story for doing something you would have done anyways.

[BlackCat]

Seriously? You don't think that private disputes, greed, and political issues were at stake in any of those wars? Most of the time, when people do violence in the name of religion there's something else at work. Ethnic disputes or economic inequality are the background cause, and religion is just the propaganda reason. You're almost as bad as those fools who think that America fights for freedom.

I ****ing hate to agree with Mobby but in this case I do. Mobby is talking about religion in general - ie mayans making human sacrifices etc.

Religion hasn't ever been a plus for society, quite contrary - it has been a drain due to the resources they have wasted.

[notyoueither]

Somehow I am imagining a different discussion when there is a violent reaction to someone burning a flag.

[Docfeelgood]

I ****ing hate to agree with Mobby but in this case I do. Mobby is talking about religion in general - ie mayans making human sacrifices etc.

Religion hasn't ever been a plus for society, quite contrary - it has been a drain due to the resources they have wasted.

You agree with anybody when you want to sniff there ass.
BTW
When are you going to show me that I posted that I was afraid of radiation?

[Thorn]

Pastor Who Burned Koran Demands Retribution
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: April 1, 2011

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Before a Koran was burned at his modest church here on March 20, the pastor Terry Jones held a self-styled mock trial of the holy book in which he presided from the pulpit as judge. The prosecutor was a Christian who had converted from Islam. An imam from Dallas defended the Koran.

Sitting in judgment was a jury of 12 members of Mr. Jones’s church, the Dove World Outreach Center. After listening to arguments from both sides, the jury pronounced the Koran guilty of five “crimes against humanity,” including the promotion of terrorist acts and “the death, rape and torture of people worldwide whose only crime is not being of the Islamic faith.”

Punishment was determined by the results of an online poll. Besides burning, the options included shredding, drowning and facing a firing squad. Mr. Jones, a nondenominational evangelical pastor, said voters had chosen to set fire to the book, according to a video of the proceedings.

Mr. Jones said in an interview with Agence France-Presse on Friday that he was “devastated” by the killings of 12 people in a violent protest in Afghanistan when a mob, enraged by the burning of a Koran by Mr. Jones’s church, attacked the United Nations compound in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif. “We don’t feel responsible for that,” he told the news service.

Unlike the worldwide outcry that greeted the pastor’s plan to burn 200 copies of the Koran on Sept. 11 — which he ultimately abandoned — the event last week at the 50-member church was largely ignored by the news media. As of 2 p.m. on Friday, the video of the Koran’s burning on the church Web site had been viewed only 1,500 times.

“The local strategy of everybody was to ignore this,” said the Rev. Lawrence D. Reimer, pastor of the United Church of Gainesville. “It’s just a horrible tragedy that this act triggered the deaths of more innocent people.”

Some church members were surprised by the violent reaction in Afghanistan on Friday, said Fran Ingram, an assistant at the church. She explained that it was decided in the weeks leading up to the burning that a jury of churchgoers and volunteers would hear both sides before deciding what to do.

In a statement, Mr. Jones demanded that the United States and United Nations take “immediate action” against Muslim nations in retaliation for the deaths. “The time has come to hold Islam accountable,” he said.

He also called on the United Nations to act against “Muslim-dominated countries,” which he said “must alter the laws that govern their countries to allow for individual freedoms and rights, such as the right to worship, free speech and to move freely without fear of being attacked or killed.”

Some members of the Dove World Outreach Center said they feared they would be attacked.

“We have a huge stack of death threats,” Ms. Ingram said. “We take precautions. I have a handgun. A lot of us have concealed weapons permits. We’re a small church, and we don’t have money to hire security.”

Before the March 20 service, Mr. Jones asked if the church’s Web site was streaming the event, according to the video. He was assured that it was. Mr. Jones then gave the “defense attorney” the opportunity to leave.

“It is not that we burn the Koran with some type of vindictive motive,” Mr. Jones said. “We do not even burn it with great pleasure or any pleasure at all. We burn it because we feel a deep obligation to stay with the court system of America. The court system of America does not allow convicted criminals to go free. And that is why we feel obligated to do this.”

On the video, a pastor named Wayne Sapp is seen igniting a kerosene-drenched copy of the Koran with a plastic lighter. Members of the church watch the book burn for several minutes while several photographers snap pictures.

Finally, Mr. Jones says, “That actually burned quite well.”


Lizette Alvarez reported from Gainesville, and Don Van Natta Jr. from Miami. Timothy Williams contributed reporting from New York.

I'm actually suprised that Al qaeda hasn't killed the pope yet, and started a real religious war...

[SlowwHand]

Mr. Jones, a nondenominational evangelical pastor,

Rant on, Mobius, you dickwad. This guy represents Christians like Bin Laden represents Muslims. ****ing ******.


What about this, you pieceof****?

'Horrible tragedy'
“The local strategy of everybody was to ignore this,” said the Rev. Lawrence D. Reimer, pastor of the United Church of Gainesville. “It’s just a horrible tragedy that this act triggered the deaths of more innocent people.”

That's without even having a chance to hear what the minister of my Methodist church has to say. Keep talking trash. That's what you do best.

[Docfeelgood]

**** that guy look evil

[OneFootInTheGrave]

first the fundie in the US, followed by some Afghan fundies, to fundie on Poly (Mobius)... and the world keeps on turning

with the least damage here... internet

[Robert]

I notice how you have conveniently avoided condemning the Christian that started this all by burning the Quran. I can only assume that this is your own blinked religious prejudice in action and is, in itself, a reason why the world would be better off without religious people...

You're not up for a serious discussing of the topic, are you? I just used the term 'religious' b/c that's what you used in your topic start. Christians do terrible things. Burning Qurans is btw not one of those terrible things, it's more something very stupid and childish and immature and unresponsible.

Really!? How can you justify that claim? I would claim that vast amounts of death, wars and suffering down the ages have religion as their direct cause...

Do we really have to go there?
The most terrible wars did not have a religious cause. And many 'religious' wars were just started by power hungry kings who used religion as an excuse. But even if we take those wars into account, then all the healthcare and charity from religious people for the sake of religion outnumbers the atheistic/agnostic help by far. Muslims have to give 5% of their income to charity, to just name an example. Most hospitals in Europe were started by monasteries. Poor people were helped by the church in the middle ages.

[a.kitman]

personally i think religion is a waste of time. but iam sure people would just find other excuses to kill each other if we didnt have it.

[Docfeelgood]

personally i think religion is a waste of time. but iam sure people would just find other excuses to kill each other if we didnt have it.

[Wezil]

I think this issue speaks more to the futility of the Afghan mission than it does to the merits (or lack thereof) of religion.

They go bat**** insane when someone on the other side of the planet exercises free speech and then blame the western governments for not arresting and punishing the guy. Afghans really haven't a clue what personal freedom is and obviously want no part of it.

Yet we stay. :insane: