Barack Obama is secretly pro-Gadaffi - or he's a *****.

[MOBIUS]

>>> P u s s y.

Discuss...

[Zoetstofzoetje]

Most countries don't want to interfere in Libya, because they depend on the oil income so much. They want to support whomever is going to win the war, so that they use the 'wait and see what happens' attitude. Any intervention requires a massive operation which has to be logistically planned. Obama is not a pus-sy, this is just not something you get off the ground easy. Do you know how big Libya is? Besides, the world is in a recession.

It's also funny how the tone of the rebels changed 180 degrees. While they were winning, they were shouting that they didn't need any help and didn't want anyone to interfere. Now that they're losing, p00f, suddenly they say, "why is nobody helping us??".

[DinoDoc]

I like Hitchens view on the subject: Is Barack Obama Secretly Swiss?

[Cort Haus]

After the fantastically successful interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq, going for the hat-trick makes perfect sense. :-|

[Hauldren Collider]

Anti-semite:

Could you please just leave and STAY gone this time?

[DinoDoc]

I'm sorry Cort but the Arab League of all organizations has been stronger on this issue than the US.

[KrazyHorse]

And yet the Arab League isn't flying sorties either...

[MOBIUS]

Could you please just leave and STAY gone this time?

So now you're calling me an anti-semite because I've started a thread suggesting that Obama might be a p u s s y - no wonder nobody takes you or your kind seriously HC...

[MOBIUS]

After the fantastically successful interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq, going for the hat-trick makes perfect sense. :-|

It would be a mere formality for the US to set up an effective no-fly zone against Gadaffi - if they actually wanted to...

I guess it might be because the US is pro-Gadaffi. After all, he was an ally of Washington only a month ago and it's not like Gadaffi has been doing anything different to the US in Iraq or Afghanistan - such as routinely opening fire on, or bombing, unarmed civilians...

In fact, it could be argued that Gadaffi is legitimately putting the uprising in Libya and should actually be being supported by his former allies, who IMO have been extremely hypocritical in abandoning him the way they have - especially those evil French.

[KrazyHorse]

Would it really be a formality? It would take days of AA suppression, followed by intense low-altitude ops to keep the choppers down.

[KrazyHorse]

I think it should be done, but it seems to me that it's a lot easier for the Arab League to call for it without doing anything about than it is for the president of the US to do so and be expected to actually deploy planes.

I also note that neither the British, the French nor the Germans have started flying sorties either.

[MOBIUS]

Would it really be a formality? It would take days of AA suppression, followed by intense low-altitude ops to keep the choppers down.

The first part of that is a fallacy. During the no-fly zones imposed on Iraq between the wars, the allies did not do this. What they did was destroy any AA battery that tried to lock on their planes. Also, people are bleating on how massive Libya is when they fail to appreciate that you only really have to police a narrow coastal zone, not to mention the fact that Gadaffi has relatively few airbases to fly from. Really, you would only have to protect two areas (since we stood by and watch Zawiya fall): Misrata in the west and the front line in the east.

I also note that neither the British, the French nor the Germans have started flying sorties either.

Our moronic govt thought it would be a really cool idea to decommission our last remaining carrier assets only a few short months ago - give us another 9 years or so when the new ones are built and we should be good to go!

The frogs OTOH should start putting their money where their mouth is after formally recognising the Libyan opposition...

[Felch]

KH is right, you don't just declare a no-fly zone, you have to bomb radar and SAM sites, maintain patrols to keep helicopters from flying, and risk your pilots getting shot down the entire time.

Why should America get involved in some Bedouin squabble?

[MOBIUS]

I agree, why should they. Gadaffi is an ally of the West, after all. Or at least he was until we decided to stab him in the back.

[Jon Miller]

He was an ally of the west?

He always seemed to be on the US ****list. Up there with North Korea/Iran...

JM