Massive Quake Hits NE Japan

[Docfeelgood]

A news report with scaremongering and sensationalism.

Japan's Nuclear Rescuers: 'Inevitable Some of Them May Die Within Weeks'

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03...#ixzz1ID5ckDkL


These guys are brave, but stupid.

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It doesn't look like the plants are going to go chernobyl on us. Worst case seems to me that it could be slightly worse than 3 mile island. The fact that it took an 8.9 earthquake on a small island on the pacific rim to get a nuclear reactor anywhere near becoming dangerous is the ultimate testament to their safety. But of course the public won't see it that way and we will be forever without cost-effective clean energy.

Ogie this is nothing on the scale of Chernobyl, it shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as difference in degree is so vast.

The expert I just saw being interviewed on BBC News 24 indicated that this explosion was most likely due to steam and radioactive release would be pretty minor. As time passes, the risk of meltdown should significantly decrease.

The report also stated that in terms of lives lost per kWh that hydro is more lethal than nuclear.

Scary

Just a minor problem : Japan’s Nuclear Safety Board DID NOT Confirm Meltdown

Doc is like halflotus, only about one tenth as intelligent. Seriously doc, how did you even learn to read?

Sounds like they might be able to get three of the reactors working, since they were shut down for maintenance.

Yep. Containment should be able to take a direct 747 hit.

Not particularly. Those things are what, four to five feet of solid steel-reinforced concrete?

worst case scenario seems to be that one of a dozen nuclear reactors has a minor leak in radiation.

No problem Doc but we need you to keep doing your share. Keep scouring the media for the "truth" (i.e. the scariest stories you can find) and post them here, We depend on you so don't let us down.

What radiation leakage there has been as a result of the successful shutdown process. In fact, it's a commentary on the safety of the design that the struggle hasn't been to prevent a meltdown(something very hard to occur with a BWR design) but to work to ensure that it'll be usable in the future.

germanos, from what I've seen the claim is that the situation is less serious than, e.g. three mile island. Given that the public health effects of TMI were basically nil, why are you so convinced that this is something to be clucking on about?

By the way, my wife is a certified health physicist and medical physicist. She has 8 years of experience in radiation safety, diagnostic imaging and radio oncology. She seems to think that a partial meltdown (which may be what has happened here) is not particularly worrisome...

Precisely. A full-on meltdown where you completely lose containment is obviously much more serious. However, I see no reason that they won't be able to maintain temps at a reasonable level given how much time has passed without a critical breech.

I hope you're not merely referring to whatever small amount of tritium is produced in the water due to it being irradiated by gammas, because the health concerns from that are minimal...

Tritium is potentially dangerous if inhaled or ingested. It can combine with oxygen to form tritiated water molecules, and those can be absorbed through pores in the skin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

I never claimed to be an expert in nuclear power, you utter ****ing hillbilly imbecile.

However, I know enough to tell you that the claim that "no amount of radiation is safe" is idiotic.

Both ionizing and non-ionizing radiation can be harmful to organisms and can result in changes to the natural environment. Because cells and more importantly the DNA can be damaged, this ionization can result in an increased chance of cancer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation

You're right; you should continue to trawl the internet for more scare stories. Those will give you a much better view of what's going on than a mere PhD physicist consulting with his expert wife...

a) I am an expert compared to you and whatever sources you've managed to dig up at www.ufosarereal.com
b) I am married to an expert who has expressed precisely this view
c) I don't need to be an expert to know something this basic

THe fact that you even have to ask that question demonstrates what an ignoramus you are.

As I indicated earlier contaient is the term for third line of defense and typically is the design basis structure that with stands external missiles and the like. It is a true statement contaient was breached(exploded as it were) due to a hydrogen detonation. The exceedingly good news is that the reactor remains intact and continues to contain the presumably melted fuel (almost a certainty given hydrogen generation and presence of cesium). Reactor containing melted fuel not to be confused with containment building structure.

Doc, please shut the **** up, you are an embarrassment to the entire human race. I'll reiterate a question I posed earlier in the thread: How the **** did you even learn to read and write when you clearly operate at the mental proficiency of my four year old neighbor who sees planes and screams IT'S BATSUPERMAN!

Note the quote from the story I posted above. That is a direct claim to the media that the stuff they flooded the core with is still in the core.

I don't even have a high school diploma, and I'm still smarter than you.

How much activity will remain after damping with boric acid? Obviously the exact answer depends on reactor geometry, but I would imagine that it would cut it significantly...

Right, seawater + boric acid on the internal system brought into thermal contact with seawater which is dumped. The only thing that seawater gets is some tritiated molecules (which you can actually just go ahead and drink)...

Yes, thank you we all know the basics of how a power plant works

Holding a PhD in physics gives me some credibility when I talk about basic nuke operation and physiological impact of radiation, yes.

Idiot.

Given that the damage from this storm is 100 billion USD and 10k people dead, I think we can safely say that this nuke plant thing is a very small fraction of total damage of the earthquake (1-2 billion USD for each of the lost reactors including cleanup, plus a small number of deaths and injuries at the plant itself)

You're right. I was lying for the 6 years between 2003 and 2009 when I said I was in graduate school. And your opinion on radiation safety gleaned from watching popular news accounts is very valuable and provides a lot of insight into the matter.

Oh, and you aren't considered a complete imbecile by everybody on this website due to your continued fascination with the idea that large numbers of people might die in an unusual way.

Which cases would those be? The highest reported dose I've seen was ~100 mSvt (for a guy sitting on the exhaust when it vented), far below the dose usually considered to cause "radiation poisoning"....

KH was actually pretty neutral. Yes, there are reports about it, but nothing concrete. My guess is that the japanese are way more precautious than say the russians and are sending workers to hospital earlier.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this thread.

Doc - As a public service:

"you are" = "you're"

This isn't PHD level stuff. In fact most of us get this in grade school. If you weren't informed of this before consider the oversight corrected.

The point is, DFG, that this thread is supposed to be about Japan. Not you.

DOC. YOU ARE A RETARDED FOOL. JUST GO AWAY. THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD FULL OF CRAP IS YOU. JUST GO AWAY. SAY NOTHING AND RETAIN WHAT LITTLE PRESTIGE ON THIS FORUM YOU STILL HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY.

thanks

No, you started being on topic asking questions, but when you didn't like the answers and made stupid claims, then people started to comment your mental capability.

One of the better sources of info is the American Nuclear Society

http://ansnuclearcafe.org/

It occurs to me that the good news is background radiation is returning to normal. I was worried that when containment blew on unit 1 aside from the reactor integrity main concerns, that the spent fuel pool (which typically resides in the upper deck of containment) might have been compromised. Granted the fuel is underwater and fully clad so that leakage possibility is remote but I still am amazed that the containment structure failed given what I know about the containment structure.

Then, why the hell are you posting media rumors as the holy truth while ignoring people that has knowledge ????

I think some people put too much faith in science and don't use there common sense. We are talking about the same science that at one time claimed that cigarettes were good for you. At that time even the doctors were saying that no harm would come from smoking cigarettes. Common sense would differ. One should never be afraid to question. Even knowing that I will be ridiculed, I will still ask questions.
" There are no dumb questions "
As I have stated many times, I am just making conversion. If anybody has a problem with this, they can just kiss my ass.

BTW Ogie is the only one who knows anything about nuke plants.

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dp

[The Mad Monk]

Japan's Nuclear Rescuers: 'Inevitable Some of Them May Die Within Weeks'

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03...#ixzz1ID5ckDkL


These guys are brave, but stupid.

You have no honor.

[Docfeelgood]

You have no honor.

Why you say that?
If your going to insult me at least explain.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Are these supposed to be indicative of a refutationo of the above posts? If so you are a bit premature.

[BlackCat]

Japan's Nuclear Rescuers: 'Inevitable Some of Them May Die Within Weeks'

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03...#ixzz1ID5ckDkL


These guys are brave, but stupid.

No, that article and what that worker are saying are immensly stupid.

[Thoth]

No, that article and what that worker are saying DfG are immensely stupid.

FTFY.

[BlackCat]

FTFY.

Well, yes and no. If it helps him doing his work, then fine. Facts are though that even with the new limit of 250 mS, his chance of getting cancer goes from 20 % to 21 %.

That is the problem with dfg. He thinks "OMFG I'm hit by radiaton - I'm gonna die in deep agony in a week", while the truth is that there is a small rise in the chance of getting cancer.

[Docfeelgood]

Well, yes and no. If it helps him doing his work, then fine. Facts are though that even with the new limit of 250 mS, his chance of getting cancer goes from 20 % to 21 %.

That is the problem with dfg. He thinks "OMFG I'm hit by radiaton - I'm gonna die in deep agony in a week", while the truth is that there is a small rise in the chance of getting cancer.

It never crossed my mind.

[BlackCat]

It never crossed my mind.

Then why are you afraid of radiation ?

[Docfeelgood]

Then why are you afraid of radiation ?

Never said I was

[BlackCat]

Never said I was

you haven't said anything but that.

[Docfeelgood]

FTFY.

OTOH his ravings wrt flu viruses are valuable public information.

Which bandwagon is that? The H1N1 will kill us all bandwagon? Or the "evil meltingdown OMFG nuke plants in Japan will kill us all" bandwagon?

@OFiTG:

but OMFG but Nukleeer power is teh evil.

:ChernoblThreeMileIslandOMFGWTFDocFeelPanicky:

Mercy kill? Y/N?

Queue Doc Feelpanicky.

Dumping waste heat via heat exchangers is not the same thing as dumping radioactive steam into the ocean.

it's pronounced "Nuke-Ulahr."

[Docfeelgood]

you haven't said anything but that.

Where and when?