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  • Originally posted by Asher View Post
    I'm getting bored, can another Canadian explain to Kuci the awesomeness of the notwithstanding clause?
    Yes, it is awesomely bad.
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    • Originally posted by Asher View Post
      Skimming, I see a democrat but I don't see anything incredibly Liberal. Examples?
      More and more this looks like I thought... an issue of perspective. Centrist in America means Center-Right to you.
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      • Originally posted by Asher View Post
        The aggregate of opinions.

        In Canadian terms, The Globe & Mail is a centrist newspaper. The Toronto Star is a left-wing newspaper. The National Post is a right-wing newspaper. The Calgary Herald is a centre-right paper.

        WaPo is certainly more right-wing than the Globe & Mail.
        What makes an opinion right or left?

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        • Originally posted by Asher View Post
          It's not even needed with the notwithstanding clause, fortunately. Parliament can just say "nope, not gonna listen to section 2" and legislate accordingly.
          Even using the NWC can carry a political price. You very rarely see it.

          Regardless, I was commenting on the idea C- change is easier here than in the US. Somehow I doubt it.
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          • Originally posted by Asher View Post
            The aggregate of opinions.

            In Canadian terms, The Globe & Mail is a centrist newspaper. The Toronto Star is a left-wing newspaper. The National Post is a right-wing newspaper. The Calgary Herald is a centre-right paper.

            WaPo is certainly more right-wing than the Globe & Mail.
            And by the aggregate of American opinions, the WaPo leans a little to the left. A paper is judged by the standards of its own country, or should be.
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            • Unless it is a non-American commenting on it.
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              • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                And by the aggregate of American opinions, the WaPo leans a little to the left. A paper is judged by the standards of its own country, or should be.
                I don't see how anyone could make an argument that WaPo today leans at all to the left. At best, it's centrist. It may have a few left-wingers on it in op-eds, but that doesn't really matter.

                If you want to see a left-leaning paper, check out http://www.thestar.ca

                BTW, I mean the aggregate of the opinions of the authors, not the populace.
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                • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                  What makes an opinion right or left?
                  Arguing that universal health care should be available = left
                  Arguing that gay marriage will destroy society = right
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                  • What are your thoughts on the polygamy case Asher?
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                    • What polygamy case?
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • The BC reference case.

                        edit - It's hard to find original articles on the hearings (just updates) but here's an old Reuters:

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                        • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                          The BC reference case.

                          edit - It's hard to find original articles on the hearings (just updates) but here's an old Reuters:

                          http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...27523520070801
                          I'm somewhat indifferent on it. On one hand, I can see women being exploited frequently in such arrangements. On the other hand, it seems kind of wrong to make a blanket ban because some people are *******s.
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                          • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                            Unless it is a non-American commenting on it.
                            Yes, he could judge it by his standards, but it makes more sense to judge a paper by its immediate context; a "liberal Saudi Arabian newspaper" might argue that women should be severely beaten for adultery instead of being killed. By outside standards, there's probably no such thing as a "liberal S.A. newspaper"--at least, not one that can be printed and distributed legally there.
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                            • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                              I'm somewhat indifferent on it. On one hand, I can see women being exploited frequently in such arrangements. On the other hand, it seems kind of wrong to make a blanket ban because some people are *******s.
                              I'm also indifferent re - the actual decision but find it a fascinating case/argument.

                              I suspect the Crim Code section will be found unconstitutional. What comes next will be interesting.

                              Your mention of the NWC earlier brought it to mind.
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                              • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                                Yes, he could judge it by his standards, but it makes more sense to judge a paper by its immediate context; a "liberal Saudi Arabian newspaper" might argue that women should be severely beaten for adultery instead of being killed. By outside standards, there's probably no such thing as a "liberal S.A. newspaper"--at least, not one that can be printed and distributed legally there.
                                But how can a non-American judge from an American POV? You are asking the impossible.
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